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    Posted: December 12 2014 at 22:10
Tomorrow (Saturday), I will begin a poll series comparing important groups in the US and UK in the development of indie rock, beginning with punk. I will be going through artists of the punk, post-punk, goth rock, hardcore punk, post-hardcore, noise rock,  new wave, Madchester, shoegaze, emo, britpop, post-britpop, post-rock, math rock, lo-fi, grunge, and slowcore veins, among several yet-to-be-classified artists.

Having scratched my head to provide decent match-ups over the week, I have made some notable exclusions. No band went unconsidered, but the primary problem I had with match-ups was simply that the US has a larger population than the UK and there are a lot more bands that I had to leave out. This was especially true when dealing with late-90s rock when the UK was more preoccupied with electronic music than the US. Because of this, Sleater-Kinney, Unwound, Modest Mouse, Red House Painters, and Neutral Milk Hotel are among the excluded. I did try to compromise, however, by including at least one artist from each scene, even if some of the important ones were left out.

On top of this there were some bands that just could not aptly be compared to any other groups in style, influence, popularity. I tried to include many of these as best as I could, but left out of the polls were Spacemen 3, who I want to credit for their hefty influence on shoegaze, and for being a trip of a band. I did, however, include their offshoot, Spiritualized, who is also acclaimed and influential.

I will do three pairs a day on Saturday and Sunday for as many weeks as it takes to exhaust the list, and will post videos of a song from each along with a write-up if I can think one up. I hope you all have fun with this, tomorrow. If you know the bands, vote! If you don't, stick around and listen to the videos. You may discover some bands you like. I know I discovered plenty of bands I'm enjoying while making these matchups.

Cheers and happy voting

So far:
The Buzzcocks vs. The Ramones
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100639&PID=5095806#5095806

Sex Pistols vs. Minor Threat
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100640&PID=5095804#5095804

The Clash vs. Patti Smith
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100641

Crass vs. Husker Du
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100647&PID=5095808#5095808

The Stranglers vs. Minutemen
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100649&PID=5095809#5095809

The Damned vs. The Replacements
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100648&PID=5095811#5095811

Magazine vs. Rites of Spring
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100721

Gang of Four vs. Mission of Burma
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100722

Siouxsie and the Banshees vs. Television
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100725&PID=5099487&#5099487

Killing Joke vs. Black Flag
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100737

Bauhaus vs. Christian Death
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100738

The Cure vs. Big Black
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100739

Joy Division vs. Talking Heads
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100740

Wire vs. The Feelies
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100777

The Smiths vs. R.E.M.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100778

Echo & The Bunnymen vs. The B-52s
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100779

The Fall vs. Devo

This Heat vs. Chrome

Cabaret Voltaire vs. Suicide

Throbbing Gristle vs. Swans

Public Image Ltd. vs. Pere Ubu


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Points: 16952 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2014 at 22:22
Aw yea. Some good polls incoming. 

I'll prolly use these to check out some new bands woo. 

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First three poll are up! Go vote/listen!


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I'll be interested in the noise rock rounds. Perhaps I just have a different interpretation of noise rock, but most of the recs I've seen have been underwhelming to say the least.
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The noise rock I'll be talking about will be early noise rock. Sonic Youth, Big Black, The Jesus and Mary Chain, etc. In other words, it may not be as extreme as Gang Wizard or the Dead C or anything. I do have Throbbing Gristle and Swans, though.


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Just saw this *after* the first polls, didn't realize it was a big series thing. I'm not too into polls anymore but this one looks to be different and fun....haven't played some of these artists in quite a while! 

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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

The noise rock I'll be talking about will be early noise rock. Sonic Youth, Big Black, The Jesus and Mary Chain, etc. In other words, it may not be as extreme as Gang Wizard or the Dead C or anything. I do have Throbbing Gristle and Swans, though.
 
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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

First three poll are up! Go vote/listen!
 

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Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

First three poll are up! Go vote/listen!
 

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General Music Forum.  Ramones vs Buzzcocks, Crass vs Husker Du, and others.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

First three poll are up! Go vote/listen!
 

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General Music Forum.  Ramones vs Buzzcocks, Crass vs Husker Du, and others.
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Alright, guys. Two more polls are up, but I have to jet to a rehearsal. I will post the third and link all three in the OP when I get back.
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Alright, all three are up. Links in the OP. Go vote!
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I've gotta run. I've got three up so far, and I'll put a fourth up after I get back along with some thoughts on the poll results so far. The fourth match may throw some through a loop. I wasn't quite satisfied with all the matchups, but I decided to post because I wasn't expecting more than 7 or 8 people to vote! I do have my methods, though, and I've started to include explanations about why I placed certain groups together (even when stylistically or aesthetically disparate) in the OPs.
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So, unsurprisingly, many of the UK (and European voters) voted UK in many of the polls and US voters typically voted US. There are exceptions, of course, but, for the most part, this is the trend. Maybe it has to do with social mannerisms and artistic values of their respective countries. I've found, through this poll series, that the UK strain of bands tends to value escapism and drama, where the American school tends to value lucidity and levity. American bands usually create something that reaches it's low point in its early second half, and then ends triumphantly, where UK bands barely pull up out of their emotional mire (which may have something to do with the popularity of the goth scene in the UK). What do you think? Do you find this to be true?
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I mentioned exactly that in the Magazine vs. Rites of Spring thread, that there might be a cultural barrier at work behind me liking the former and not the latter. Not just RoS and Fugazi but also the entire emo scene they inspired I get the impression are much more popular on their own side of the Atlantic Ocean, it's somewhat obscure here in Europe but in North America it seems to have a fair amount of mainstream crossover popularity.

Which reminds me of the upcoming Throbbing Gristle vs. Swans poll, the No Wave movement and noise rock in general seems to be more popular in America than Europe too. Of course, the genre's even more popular in Japan than elsewhere. For the record it's NON that I myself consider the American Throbbing Gristle, but they don't seem to crossover with indie rock/punk fans anywhere as much. Actually NON are more popular with black/death metal fans perhaps because of their overt Satanic themes...


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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:


 For the record it's NON that I myself consider the American Throbbing Gristle, but they don't seem to crossover with indie rock/punk fans anywhere as much. Actually NON are more popular with black/death metal fans perhaps because of their overt Satanic themes...

NON works very well as an American TG. Both were very early, very dark and abrasive, and highly influential industrial projects.
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I've not heard of NON until now. So much for "no band went unconsidered".
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Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

I've not heard of NON until now. So much for "no band went unconsidered".
I've never heard of them either, if it makes you feel any better. Unless it stands for Nine Ounce Nails.
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