Momentary Lapse and Division Bell: Pink Floyd |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: December 20 2014 at 06:35 | ||||
The Final Cut is an amazing production. Waters dominated or not, Gilmour puts in some great guitars, Mason does a decent job, and I really can't see what room there could've been for Rick's keyboards, as the keys are not much of a feature of the music.
Wright came 'back to life' on The Division Bell', and, as Dillinger stated, The Endless River is a perfect homage to the Great Man. |
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Meltdowner
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Posted: December 20 2014 at 06:53 | ||||
^^ But Animals has some of the best Gilmour's guitar work powerful drums and incredibly spacey keyboards
With all that going on I don't even notice the lyrics Don't get me wrong, I understand and respect those who like it. By the way, what do you think of Waters' solo albums? Edited by Meltdowner - December 20 2014 at 06:53 |
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 20 2014 at 07:07 | ||||
^ Absolutely! The Animals is the most delightful 4.5-star album. I didn't say that it was deficient in any way; but you could feel that the philosophical and emotional center of gravity had already begun to shift towards Waters, which brought Pink Floyd on the path to TFC and the eventual breakdown.
Regarding Waters's solo work: a good band is always greater than the arithmetic sum of its members. As a member of Pink Floyd, Waters was an incredible creative force. On his own? for fans only, I'm afraid, with a couple of good moments here and there.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: December 20 2014 at 07:11 | ||||
The Body was experimental, but holds a great song in Chain Of Life.
Pros And Cons is excellent. Don't like K.A.O.S. much, 2 or 3 good songs at best - Me Or Him, Home, Four Minutes.... Amused To Death was his pinnacle. Great album. Afterwards, I haven't followed up......... Still, when I watch Live At Pompeii, I know why I chose the bass as my instrument of choice - Waters is righteous on this film............that funky jam in the 2nd half of Echoes part 1 - and Gilmour just blows on his strat........ |
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:34 | ||||
Don't sweat it, Tom, neither has Roger! (well, if you don't count his opera) |
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 00:06 | ||||
Actually, I was never particularly thrilled by Sorrow's guitar solo... perhaps I'd need to listen to it again. I certainly like Comfortably Numb's guitar solo better (perhaps the one song in which I like the guitar solo better is High Hopes). As for my favourite version of CN, I must go with the one on Delicate Sound of Thunder... but then that version has that heavier beginning which sounds just great for me. About the version on Remember that Night... I think it was just OK on my book... but the version on Live in Gdansk is indeed wonderful for me (with Wright on vocals too), with a string orchestra if I remember well, and longer than the version on Remember that Night (also, if I remember well). |
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 00:12 | ||||
I think you got Kati's words wrong... for her it's the last album Pink Floyd did that she found to be great, not the one that she likes the least. As for me, the last (not least) Pink Floyd great album was The Division Bell... well, at least up until this year, now it's The Endless River . However, for me The Final Cut is a good album, but not among my favourites from them... I guess it would be at about the same position as Momentary Lapse. There are some great moments on FC, and very emotional ones. And once again, I think it's an album that's best apreciated if heard as a whole, instead of in parts. |
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 00:14 | ||||
Well, perhaps Roger hasn't released any albums since, but he has written a few ones that he has played live, even one released on his best of album. However, the one that I really love, and which is a real gem in my book, is "Each Small Candle", which he released on his "In the Flesh" live album. |
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King Only
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 04:51 | ||||
Okay, I will have to give Delicate Sound Of Thunder a listen. Strange that I consider myself a huge Floyd fan but I have never bought DSOT. It's now on my shopping list.
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Guillermo
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 04:59 | ||||
Yes. Both albums have good songs. Maybe "The Division Bell" is better as they re-captured some of the old Pink Floyd sound they had before Waters almost dominated everything (music and lyrics), which was with "Animals" and more particularly with "The Wall", an album which I don`t like with the exception of the songs which were co-written by Gilmour. For me, Gilmour-Mason-Wright sounded more as Pink Floyd than Waters alone.
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Guillermo
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 05:07 | ||||
"The Final Cut" also has some good songs, but it was more a solo album by Waters released under the PF name. "AMLOR" was more like a first step done by Gilmour without Waters, but the live versions of the songs from that album are better with Mason and Wright playing them.
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 05:30 | ||||
Good to know I am not alone
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Xonty
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 06:47 | ||||
Prefer The Final Cut to both of them, so I guess not. I ought to revisit them though, there were some great moments on those 2 albums, but mostly mediocre.
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Meltdowner
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:30 | ||||
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:38 | ||||
I like them ok I guess. I don't really listen to them all that much (small understatement), although I did spin AMLOR here the other day and felt it was a 'nice listen'.
None of em stick it's hand down my trousers though. The Final Cut? Yikes I'd rather stick my penis in a light socket. |
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Meltdowner
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:49 | ||||
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 08:02 | ||||
Don't worry Sam. I'm gonna skip that last part and simply just stay away from the album instead. Seems like the adult thing to do That way I also keep my nether regions fit for making babies and weeing whilst standing up.
The Final Cut suffers from the same problem as any other Roger Waters album: waaaaaaaay too much Waters and not enough music. Apart from Amused to Death, which I like, he's always about an inch away from a sung (well sung is perhaps the wrong verb. Shouted?) rap album. Hell, just take a look at the lyric sheets to those albums. They read like the freakin bible! If I want an album with words, I'll put on Waits' Nighthawks |
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Meltdowner
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 08:59 | ||||
That's probably better
True, there are also those things called books |
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 09:05 | ||||
Are you threatening light sockets with violence? Thank you for helping me make a connection between rap and Waters. I kind of always knew that rap is not really music; it's a different form of art - rhythm-assisted story-telling, I guess?
I am one of those people who believe that lyrics in general are (statistically) more likely to distract from the music than to contribute to it. Edited by Argonaught - December 21 2014 at 09:19 |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: December 21 2014 at 09:16 | ||||
Always!!!!
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