How difficult for the oldies to get into new prog?

micky wrote: Svetonio wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: Svetonio wrote: micky wrote:      Prog is a dying genre.. (...) Of course that prog is not "a dying genre". That's bullsh*t.   Just for a decor... actually, Skullhead asked me for five tracks to show what I think that is a great contemporary prog but I will posted just one embedded video just for a decor...           That's funny, Svetty -- that's your choice for "great contemporary prog"?. Oh, wait...you are being serious. Here is a better version of that song. Oh wait...it's not the same song. Just better.     It must be a great feeling to be an old fan who frantically trying to prove a thesis that the progressive rock after 40 years of development has to be worse than at its beginning, but Knifeworld's song sounds much better and it's a prog unlike Fairport Convention's song that is a folk rock. hah.   I don't have to prove a goddamn thing actually My job is to stir the pot and get you knuckleheads to start thinking.The proof as it were is out there and been known for years. Nearfest was the final nail in that coffin. Everyone who has put more than an hours thought, including most musicians in the scene that aren't actively vested in trying to market themselves TO nostalgic 'prog fan' knows it.  Stylistically it is dead, you have classic bands with various degrees of success doing the same sh*t they did 40 plus years ago and new bands that are just following the same formula.  The fans OF that music are going the way of age and time. It is..and has always been the music of a particular age and time.  Just as much as the hippy-dippy acid rock of the 60's man.... and you provide a great example of exactly what we have been talking about. That is not prog rock.. but what it is... is very much Progressive Rock. they are not the same dude.

LOL LOL LOL!! Believe it or not, I actually achieved exactly what I wanted.

Do you really think that I'm so naive to post, at the request of an early-prog fanatic as "Skullhead" as well, a 6-minute long Crossover Prog song instead to post some, say, a 18-minute EPIC prog song that is released in last two-three years and to promptly close the mounths of all haters of contemporary prog who are contributed at this thread?

My intention actually was to push the characters as you and your colleagues to start screaming "it's not prog" on an amazing  Crossover Prog song released in 2014 what Knifeworld's Send Him Seaworthy really is.

 

Now every impartial reader of these pages can conclude that all of these attacks on something that is new and modern and yet already defined and accepted at this esteemed site as Crossover Prog  are pretty nonsense.

 

Your wrath on contemporary Crossover Prog is your problem to which I would not go deeper, but I can only say that you and your like-minded comrades in that Anti Contemporary Prog Brigade will never be able to kidnap the term *PROG* from that magnificent pleiad of very gifted young bands & solo artists that stretch the boundaries of our beloved genre and thereby proudly put that prog tag at their stuff

 

 

Svetonio wrote: Your wrath on contemporary Crossover Prog is your problem to which I would not go deeper, but I can only say that you and your like-minded comrades in that Anti Contemporary Prog Brigade will never be able to kidnap the term *PROG* from that magnificent pleiad of very gifted young bands & solo artists that stretch the boundaries of our beloved genre and thereby proudly put that prog tag at their stuff

my wrath?  What the f**k are you talking about My god...  you owe me a beer. It is now all over my monitor.

Oh my...  either you are an idiot, or completely misreading me.

Since I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.  Though no credit for common sense for not having the sense to know a person before engaging them. They don't make you collabs here for our cute asses and pleasant demeanor.  We do work for the site... contribute to its content and format.  I did so for many years before retiring.

There is a reason Crossover prog is here and is recognized not only here, but now all through prog. Read it carefully...

Crossover Prog definition

Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive, may have a musical connection to popular music-- whether it be the lack of emphasis on extended compositions, or an influence from mainstream music in addition to classical, jazz and folk. Compositions, however, still exhibit a high degree of sophistication, sometimes outright complexity, and the musicianship and virtuosity is often on a par with established Prog acts. Much like their kin in the established prog sub-genres, these groups will incorporate many major parts of what defines prog rock: the fusing of rock with the structures and discipline of more traditional musics, the use of syntheisizers and new technologies, intelligent thematics, and the expansion of the form.

The defining characteristics of Crossover Prog are a pop music influence that is largely vacant in typical prog rock. Songs tend toward shorter, more concise presentations though still reach beyond the typical verse, bridge, chorus pattern. The harmonic, melodic, and rhythmic structures may be more easily digested in Crossover while not losing the musical integrity that a prog listener expects. Whereas Prog Related bands are generally commercial groups with certain prog elements or players that were involved in prog acts, Crossover Prog artists are predominantly progressive with elements of popular music.

The most representative examples for this genre include The MOODY BLUES, SUPERTRAMP, DREDG, CINEMA SHOW, RADIOHEAD.

- written by micky (Michael) and Chus (Jesus)

Micky, I read it before and I know that you are a co-authour of the Crossover Prog deffinition but your contribute at this thread have nothing to do with your respectively writing efforts in definitions like this or regarding your reviews. Well, I don't know you from before, but I think that you are changed your attitudes toward contemorary prog during your four-year-long absence.

Edited by Svetonio - January 06 2015 at 20:19

Svetonio wrote: Micky, I read it before and I know that you are a co-authour of the Crossover Prog deffinition but your contribute at this thread have nothing to do with your respectively writing efforts in definitions like this or regarding your reviews. Well, I don't know you from before, but I think that you are changed your attitudes toward contemorary prog during your four-year-long absence.   Btw, are you mentioned that collab status as an argument? I have to tell you very straight that I wan't to be a collab. I prefered to be, say, "a free suggester", much more than to get a collab rank. And that I ever wish to have a four stars collab rank, you can to believe me that I would have been maybe after two years from the registration just if I was an apologist of some influential five stars collaborator.

indeed they have changed.  While I always liked the bands and the members of those bands we added, many of who Raff and I became friends with, the music wasn't what got me excited. As I posted to David earlier, while I tried to champion the notion that ..yes.. Crossover is a legitimate genre.. and champion the bands I really liked.. I still was very much a slave to me real love.  Italian prog and that is what I would listen to personally.

So yes,  I have changed in the last 4 years. For the better I would hope   Friendships established online with bands and their members online have been cemented with meeting in real life and talking over their music, our larger music.  My own personal tastes have become FAR more geared to the contemporary bands and I actually listen to very little 'classic prog' these days.

that said. It doesn't change my opinions.  They are mine, but beware before you write them off as the ravings of a nut case. Many people share them in the music world.  Prog is dying... and it is NO great loss.. it had its time.. the circle has been completed. Now we have bands today taking the myriads of influences that are out there today and creating their own sounds.. far removed from 'prog rock'.. and returning back to where we were in the late 60's when you had a bunch of progressive musicians wanting to break the barriers and explore where they can music.

Cheer bro!!!

Skullhead wrote: Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:       These are some good posts.  Better for everyone here to listen and discuss what they like and don't about these acts. I liked most of it.  For me to really become a fan I would need to see them performing it live because there is always that modern suspicion about it all be overly manipulated on the computer. I like that none of it sounded metalish.

Svetonio wrote: Ana Popovic is actually well-know & already recognized by serious rock critics as the greatest blues-rock female guitarist in the world today.

At the end of the day it's the Admins and Team Members who run the site and decide its contents and direction, and I guess that it should be expected that a site like PA is run by a bunch of Prog Rock fans. Whether they are open-minded and enjoy also other forms of more modern progressive music and decide to include them it's fine, as long as they share a love for Prog Rock as a common unifying point. The conflicts could get more serious if gradually the site starts to be managed by people who, in the best case have become rather indifferent to the traditional classic Prog, or in the worst case are openly dismissive of it. I guess that we are still far from that.

Walton Street wrote:     the same thing happens on other forums. Go to any horror forum and all other genres are discussed .. kung-fu films, westerns, sci-fi ..etc  (I guess violence is the unifying factor there)

^^^Pelotas!