Inter-Band Conflict

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Toaster Mantis wrote: I also think it was major hostilities between Deep Purple's Ritchie Blackmore and Glenn Hughes (not 100% sure?) which caused the former to leave the band and form Rainbow instead. I think it's generally accepted that Richie is a bit of a dickhead to bandmates.

Skullhead wrote: Very rare that a band makes more than 5 truly great albums.  People will argue this, what's great etc.. but to my ears, as soon as a band makes an album that clearly is not as good as the previous ones, it's usually over. I doubt many would argue that "In through the out Door" was anywhere near the previous releases from LZ. Nursery Crime, Foxtrot, Selling England, Lamb, Trick of the Tail.  Wind and Wuthering was not on par and at best could have been a double album with Trick.  But everything after that.  Not as good. Meddle through the Wall is 5 albums. Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Tales, Relayer. Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road.  Yellow Submarine?  No. Let it Be? No. ELP, Tarkus, Trilogy BSS Works? No To me, and just my opinion, Gentle Giant and King Crimson exceeded the 5 album expectation.

Skullhead wrote: Very rare that a band makes more than 5 truly great albums.

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: While Waters was clearly a significant creative driving force Floyd aren't Floyd without Gilmour and Wright. Without them you get unsatisfying Waters solo material.

 
I don't think that's fair at all. Roger's solo albums are different and almost all of them very good, albeit unlilke the earlier PF that the lyrics were more poetic and strange, now all the lyrics are about something that is happening around us. And maybe this was one of Roger's points, but it could also be said that Roger had an opinion on everything, and could make a song about them all1

i think the PF material, even going back to the earlier days, was more about the laid back thing, which disappeared the day their shows became more computerized and they lost the ability to expand and fool around on the stage which was there in the earlier days, in every bootleg available!

I will never disagree with "Radio Kaos" ... I saw it with my very own eyes, and Guy Guden had to put up with the same crap over and over again, even on the days that we were living in the same apartment. It wasn't fun for him at all! I can't sit here, and honestly feel that "Amused to Death" is a silly album! It's extremely with it, albeit I still think that ANGE's "Emile Jacotey" done 20 years earlier was far superior an album. I do think that his The Wall" was not better than the original. But all that hardly makes him a megalomaniac. "The Wall" is to rock music, what a Baryshnikov, or Nureyev was to ballet ... you only get one chance in life and its gone! They are "major events" in the rock music stuff, and not many will disagree with that. In the original "Wall" there were a lot of folks complaining because it was only being done in large cities, and the rest of the world would not see it. Well, I doubt that Pavarotti ever playied in Podunk, Arizona as well!

It's OK to disagree, but being cynical because the man has opinions, and the music in PF became all opinionated instead of far out and trippy, is not the right thing to be on about! People do change! And the band entity would also, naturally, change with that.

Edited by moshkito - December 28 2014 at 10:56

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: What I find unsatisfying about Waters solo music aren't the lyrics, that's his strength, he's always had plenty to say, it's the lack of music. That's what Gilmour & Wright brought. Hell it's just my opinion, I personally prefer more music in my music.

 

^This. If any band was the sum of it's parts, Waters era Floyd was!

I don't think it's just me when I say that none of PF's solo work even makes it close to the majesty of the original band. And sure, deaths and conflicts did cause major repercussions in their sound as well as their fan-base. Less and less people wanted to listen to them because they weren't the same without each other. You could even call TER a bare-boned project held on by a little bit of sinew that is Gilmour and Mason, which is totally fine in saying. But I don't know if their conflicts changed the band the better, because it seems constant anger towards each other just opened up more and more doors to hostility leading in more degrading of their quality. I personally think that 'inter-band conflict' as I say does lead to many more cons than it does pros. 

Edited by aglasshouse - December 28 2014 at 18:51

I read somewheres that Richard Wright was dramatically downgraded to the status of hired hand for the album. If true, that would have certainly stymied the thing to some extent, although I wouldn't have given diddly as I'm no fan of El Wall.

Skullhead wrote: Very rare that a band makes more than 5 truly great albums.  People will argue this, what's great etc.. but to my ears, as soon as a band makes an album that clearly is not as good as the previous ones, it's usually over. I doubt many would argue that "In through the out Door" was anywhere near the previous releases from LZ. Nursery Crime, Foxtrot, Selling England, Lamb, Trick of the Tail.  Wind and Wuthering was not on par and at best could have been a double album with Trick.  But everything after that.  Not as good. Meddle through the Wall is 5 albums. Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Tales, Relayer. Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road.  Yellow Submarine?  No. Let it Be? No. ELP, Tarkus, Trilogy BSS Works? No To me, and just my opinion, Gentle Giant and King Crimson exceeded the 5 album expectation.

For those interested, here (the link below) is a quite complete document about the gear Rick Wright has played over the years, and the info on each instrument is complemented by comments about the band and the period. Here is the entry about the Prophet-5 commenting about The Wall period and Wright's conflicts with Waters and the album. I am not certain about the accuracy of all the comments though: