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    Posted: February 01 2017 at 12:23
I kind of agree even though I do consider Tool to be prog metal. I see it with bands like Muse and maybe the Decemberists. Some of their stuff is prog or proggish but to be considered prog you need more than just a few songs or more than just one or two albums(unless the band only put out one or two albums). Phish could be another example. I don't know them that well but aren't they usually just considered a jam band? Some of their stuff might be proggy but I think most of it is jam band stuff.
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Regarding the issue of like vs. dislike, it's not hard to recognize the "progressiveness" of music you don't like.  I love Tool.  On the other hand, I absolutely hate Emerson Lake and Palmer's music.  I think it confirms all the negative stereotypes used by people who criticize "progressive rock".  I do recognize ELP's innovations.  Using a specific set of musical elements - longer songs with multiple parts, unusual time signatures - to define  "progressive" music limits it.  It's how the uninitiated (those who don't have much experience with "progressive" music) think of it.  It's unfortunate, and it doesn't help us expose great music to those who don't know it.  
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^I would venture to say that the ratio of people who responded to this endless poll Shocked as to liking or disliking Tool  is about 50/50.
 
But the question you asked was "Is Tool prog?" And we answered you regardless of  whether we liked the band or not.
 
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Tool are the proof that there's Prog I don't like.


At least we two agree in not liking Tool ;)
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Back in 92-93 something I saw them playing on an alt rock festival in Belgium.
The opened with the riff from 'A Passage To Bangkok'.
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Tool are the proof that there's Prog I don't like.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

^ I wonder why...
I also wonder why.

All I know is I love quote pyramids... but I do wonder why as well.
Maybe I'll get an answer if I rephrase the question. Why?

I also like quote pyramids. Big smile
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Originally posted by Andy Webb Andy Webb wrote:

How has this thread lasted 6 pages already? 
As I've stated before, Barbarians are now within the gates of Prog!
 
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Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

^ I wonder why...
I also wonder why.

All I know is I love quote pyramids... but I do wonder why as well.
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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

^ I wonder why...
I also wonder why.
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Points: 13298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2015 at 20:34
How has this thread lasted 6 pages already? 
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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

^ I wonder why...


Damn kids these days LOL


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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2015 at 16:16
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Points: 4335 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2015 at 16:10
Don't believe any metal should also be considered prog but that's a music argument that was apparently lost long before I joined this site.


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Points: 733 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2015 at 15:49
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Tool:  I have tried once again to listen to Lateralus, and prog or not, I've got to say I don't think I will ever enjoy this style of music. Ouch.  I will say they are excellent at what they do, and they are prog.
I don't like Tool song for song but what songs of theirs i like i really like! Stinkfist,Aenema,The Pot might be my favorite Tool tracks plus a few more.I shall avoid trying to explain the prog aspect though.
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Points: 13 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2015 at 14:33
They've always been one of my favourite bands, when not THE favourite one, but I've never seen them as a prog ensemble, in a 70s sense. More like alternative metal. If you consider calm-storm-building climaxes and non-traditional song structures as prog, then sure, they have that aspect in many songs. Anyway, a lot of the 70s prog rock dinosaurs, while in progs peak (first half of 70s), wrote many pop and rock songs.

For me it's kinda like what Gazpacho are for indie and alternative rock.


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Points: 15006 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2015 at 11:45
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Trust me, Undertow is and has never been an overlooked album. It put them on the map. It made a noticeable splash in 1993 and the videos for "Sober" and "Prison Sex" got plenty of airplay on the eMpTyVee. Virtually everyone I met liked Tool as a result of that album, and then went back and bought their debut EP Opiate.
 
As far as weird goes, I think Undertow, AEnima and Lateralus are fairly consistent, the latter two are less straightforward but there's nothing as drastic as going from Drama to 90125. LOL
 
I confess I don't think the last album was too hot. Several really good songs, but overall a disappointment compared to the previous three albums.

I know they hit it (somewhat) big with Undertow, which probably is why I noticed them in the first place, but most fans of the band these days have a tendency to overlook ir for the subsequent three albums. -Well at least the people I've met who're hugely into the band. Might be the other way around elsewhere, I can't say for sure.
 
That would really surprise me. Imagine Caress of Steel being overlooked...nope! Tool is a band with only four full albums since 1993 (and the 4th is already a decade old). That's an average of an album every 5.5 years. Every Tool fan knows all their albums. They need to get off their arses (or Maynard needs to stop hiding in his groves) and wrap the new album. For a band whose players can cite Rush as an influence, you'd think they'd note how productive those "old" guys are. LOL 
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