What Ingredients do you NEED in your Prog?

RockHound wrote: Style and a yen for complexity and innovation. There are no real rules, although I do like something to be memorable.  A strange thing I have found with some newer bands is albums that I enjoy but can't remember much of anything about them - even after repeated listens. I can't quite put my finger on this phenomenon, because after 3-4 listens I am usually able to remember most if not all of an album.

Because you are not being moved by it emotionally.

No drums, no rock, eh?
What about beatboxes, then?

More album covers that feature cows.

cstack3 wrote: Skullhead wrote: If there is a "Rock" element or what we call ProgRock, then it has to have drums.  All rock bands have drums. I know everyone wants to think of prog as having no rules but it does.  Prog can substitute guitar for keys like ELP, but you can't take drums out of it.  If you do, then it becomes something else.  You can't play heavy metal without drums.  Folk, classical, ambient etc can exist without drumkit. You would have loved King Crimson's 2014 tour!  THREE drummers!  It was truly remarkable!!

hmmm... ingredients???

oh yes... got to have me some

pretentiousness!

portentousness!!

Pontificalness!!!

and finally some..

Pomposity!!!!

Put those together and what do you get..

Prog.

cstack3 wrote: Skullhead wrote: If there is a "Rock" element or what we call ProgRock, then it has to have drums.  All rock bands have drums. I know everyone wants to think of prog as having no rules but it does.  Prog can substitute guitar for keys like ELP, but you can't take drums out of it.  If you do, then it becomes something else.  You can't play heavy metal without drums.  Folk, classical, ambient etc can exist without drumkit. You would have loved King Crimson's 2014 tour!  THREE drummers!  It was truly remarkable!!

I was there! believe me!

One of the best shows I have seen in the last 10 years.

What ingredients are absolutely essential?  For me, there HAS to be an interesting combinations of elements or influences.  That's almost a one-phrase definition of Prog.  The other ingredient is a singer who can sing.  As a choir singer myself, I can't listen to really mediocre singers.  One example - not prog - is Smashing Pumpkins.  Their music is entertaining, but listening to Billy Corgan's voice is like torture.

I like all kinds of prog, but the one thing I guess I NEED is for it to be honest. A lot of these meticulously processed neo-prog "classics" don't evoke any emotion for me, because they're not inherently experimenting, but just solely trying to replicate their favourite bands. When you hear about the influences of these 70s bands, they're always so far from progressive music (e.g. Peter Gabriel idolising Otis Redding), so I think it needs to be inately "risky" and pushing the boundaries. If you're going to be an artist, you wouldn't do inferior copies of Picasso or whoever to be like him, you'd have to take from their template of experimentation and work with it in your own way. Using strange time signatures and Hammond organs is outdated now, and there's a need for a fresh approach in my opinion.

I need:

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