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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2015 at 18:19
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

I guess you mean 'first prog concept album' (because otherwise others like the musicals West Side Story or Hair were earlier concept albums, not to mention classical themed albums as Holst's The Planets or all the Operas).
And Days Of Future Past is not a prog-rock album in my book (a couple of orchestrations and recurrent themes do not make prog-rock, otherwise the aformentioned musicals would be prog-rock albums as they had also both). So you have my answer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2015 at 19:37
Without picking nits from the prog-rock holy bible's definition of progressive canon, I would say DoFP. Sgt. Pepper has the album cover, 2 songs where the theme recurs and a third that is introduced as a Sgt. Pepper associate, Billy Shears (A Little Help from My Friends). Other than that, the songs on Pepper are not unified in any way, whether stylistically or lyrically. Not even an allusion thrown in to loosely link them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2015 at 20:31
i vote DoFP because it's basically an orchestral soundtrack to a normal day of this world; Sgt. Pepper had an initial concept but was abandoned right from the get go before it was even thought up of by Macca. so, the Moody Blues got this one I'm afraid.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2015 at 01:31
Donovan - Season of the Witch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2015 at 03:17
Sometimes one may feel obliged to vote in favour of Days of Future Passed. This is such an occasion...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2015 at 03:38
Originally posted by Stool Man Stool Man wrote:

Which was the first vaguely-a-concept concept album?

Dust Bowl Ballads  by Woody Guthrie (1940)
Come Fly With Me by Frank Sinatra (1958)

Obviously DOFP is the first concept album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2015 at 06:50
As others have said, Sgt Pepper is not a concept album. It was going to be (there was talk of a concept about life in Liverpool, hence Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane which were originally going to be on the album) but The Beatles (mainly Lennon, I believe) lost interest in it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2015 at 14:12
Vivaldi - The Four Seasons (Still more conceptual than Sgt. Pepper, I think)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2015 at 20:03
Answering the question literally, it should be noted that Nirvana's Story of Simon Simopath was released a month before DOFP and is, without doubt, a concept album.
 
Since we are supposed to be talking about prog rock on this site then the likes of Vivaldi and West Side story would not qualify (though if Miles Davis or Pentangle count as rock then I suppose anything can).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 17:10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 17:15
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

I think the 1st concept album was actually Freak Out! 1966
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


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Ok, that will be the next poll!
Sorry, didn't see this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 03 2015 at 20:58

The Moody Blues, Days of Future Passed.

When he rides, my fears subside.
For darkness turns once more to light.
Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 12:26
Originally posted by Wakeman's Birotron Wakeman's Birotron wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Really! Not one single Beatles obsessed fan yet! LOL

I'm kind of a Beatles obsessed fan myself, but still I'd never give them credit for things they never did. I think their overall influence is often overrated.
 
Wow. Quite an outlier view of the Beatles' influence. Most everyone else would say it could hardly be overrated: musicians, critics, and fans.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 13:14
In terms of a concept album, Sgt. Pepper was a great idea but a failure in the end and the Moodies have an obvious edge on this one. But musically, there will never be a better album than the Beatles masterpiece. Not even CTTE or SEBTP
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 13:53
Originally posted by Bitterblogger Bitterblogger wrote:

Originally posted by Wakeman's Birotron Wakeman's Birotron wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Really! Not one single Beatles obsessed fan yet! LOL

I'm kind of a Beatles obsessed fan myself, but still I'd never give them credit for things they never did. I think their overall influence is often overrated.

 
Wow. Quite an outlier view of the Beatles' influence. Most everyone else would say it could hardly be overrated: musicians, critics, and fans.

I'm not deying their importance at all. In fact, they were arguably the most influential of all rock bands. That being said, I do think that a lot of fans and critics tend to exaggerate their importance by saying, by example, that they created Hard Rock with Helter Skelter or that Sgt Pepper's was the first concept album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 18:40
I submit Brian Wilson's "Pet Sounds" as the first art-rock concept album.  OK, technically it is a Beach Boys album and the rest of the guys did contribute to some extent.  But there is no denying that Brian was its true progenitor, is there?

 

Please, if you will, allow me at least a few moments to explain myself before you shout me down...  The albums 'progressive' nature can be hard for modern ears to detect.  It may sound less than remarkable and noteworthy at first.  But one must approach it with ears tuned to the context of its time in order to understand its progressive nature.   To a much lesser extent, I find this to be true of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon".  When teenagers hear that album, I have to explain what a sonic "difference maker" it was, how incredibly it "stood out" from the soundscape of popular recorded music at the time.  Some of the innovative ways sounds were used musically in DSotM are now rather commonplace across multiple genres of very popular music.
 
And if the progressive musical nature of the Pet Sounds album is elusive, the manner in which it qualifies as a unified whole (concept) album is doubly so.  But that doesn't mean that it was any less uniquely and conceptually bound together at the time of its release.
 
Although it is true that Brian himself didn't see it as a collection of songs intended to tell a linear story, within the context of where rock and roll albums were at that time, he did intend it to be viewed as a unified conceptual artistic statement from start to finish, a cohesive unit, an inter-related collection of miniature sonic art pieces, each worthy of exhibition together (with absolutely no filler and no throwaways).
 
It was an entire album to be held together not by a single plotline like the day in the life of an average man... nor was it to be held together by a simplistic motif like every song being about water or love... 
 
Rather it was to be a collection of sonic gems integrally interconnected conceptually by a systematic approach to exploring relational themes in lyrics, using the studio as a complex instrument, expanding the instrumentation and tonal color used in popular rock music, and the introduction of unconventional vocal harmonies and atypical chord progressions, etc.
 
This would be the album to prod Paul McCartney to strive for the songs to be conceptually interrelated and perhaps even for John Lennon and George Martin to increasingly paint sounds with a wider variety of psych tonal colors on Sgt. Peppers. 
 
As usual, if the Beatles weren't the first to the party, they were certainly early adopters whose attendance heralded the subsequent rush of arriving multitudes (many of whom probably mistakenly thought the Beatles were the hosts of the party in the first place).
 
So Sgt. Peppers both reflected and paved the way (popularized) the concept of "art rock", rock music to listen to seriously, and very obviously hinted toward how very "hip" it would soon become to create "concept albums".
 
Since Pet Sounds wasn't an available choice, I'll select its closest companion.  Sgt. Peppers.
 
OK.  Thanks for waiting.  You may begin 'shouting me down' now.  Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 19:09
Freakout is not prog. Zappa's ghost will haunt you for  intimating this.

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Days Of Future Passed  was released Nov '67

ZODIAC- COSMIC SOUNDS   , "psychrock" concept lp  was released May '67

Hayward has come clear that the LA session men lp (including big names like Mort Garson,Hal Blaine & Paul Beaver) was a direct influence on Days Of Future Passed.

The instrumental on side one of "Are You Sitting Comfortably?" lp is a direct lift from Zodiac lp.

Black Sabbath, East of Eden and Writing On The Wall all "borrowed" from Zodiac.


Zodiac lp is legendary.
It is quite telling that no one on this thread brought it up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 19:27
Did I say Freak Out was prog? Or did you perhaps misread what I said?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 19:53
Originally posted by progpositivity progpositivity wrote:

I submit Brian Wilson's "Pet Sounds" as the first art-rock concept album. 
 
What exactly is the "concept" of Pet Sounds?
 
Originally posted by progpositivity progpositivity wrote:

OK.  Thanks for waiting.  You may begin 'shouting me down' now.  Wink
 
No shouting, I just do not at all see any sort of theme or concept or interrelated sound that ties the album together. This does not in any way detract from the album or its status as a great release, it just does not make it a "concept" in the same way Days of Future Past is (and the same way Sgt. Pepper is not a concept as I stated earlier).
 
S.F. Sorrow by the Pretty Things, now that is a concept album, and so is The Who Sell Out (nominally, at least).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 20:14
It took a bit of digging but I now see NIRVANA Simon Simopath twee baroque popsike lp was released Oct '67.
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