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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 07:57
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Both Richard and Raff's posts should be held up as a model of common sense and decency on the intertit. Agree with every word


damnit Steve... I guess that is why Raff has more forum thanks than me.  AngryLOL

decency..  common sense? What ever happened to Prog Archives we once knew. 

pfff...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 08:26
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^I don't know how to respond to this kind of question, Garard. Wetton has had bouts with his own personal demons that I don't want to rehash here. If he felt the need to make some bucks with Asia, fine. He was never a commercial success with either KC or UK. It may be hard to believe, but KC was cult band at the time of his tenure. KC never had the record sales of Yes or Genesis and maybe Wetton wanted some of that. And UK came into being during the punk craze. Enough said.
 
He's ok in my book. A fine musician and vocalist, regardless of what musical directions he has taken over the course of his career.

In fact he said as much in an interview, that he sought commercial success.  And he figured he would never get it in KC.  With UK, it got a bit better but Asia was the breakthrough he had been looking for.  

And I kind of go along with Dellinger.  His voice seems to suit Asia better than KC, at least for me.   Neither Lake nor Wetton had the kind of flexible voice that Belew had.  Pity he came in a little after KC's peak, though I do love Discipline.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 09:10
Wetton wasn't there for "Asia's worst periods". He was an integral part of the best era of Crimson, which is even referred to as the "Wetton era". He was in UK, also one of the greatest bands ever, and then went commercial (like everyone did) with Asia. Asia's first album and a few tracks from the reunion albums are good. I don't see where the controversy is. He's one of the greats of prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 09:33
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Both Richard and Raff's posts should be held up as a model of common sense and decency on the intertit. Agree with every word
I going to go one up on you, Steve, and commend everyone who contributed a positive post on Mr. Wetton.  (Except for micky, because he's a bad boy. Wink)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 10:01
bah...  this place has become the PMRC of internet sites... a damn church group. LOL What kind of internet site values common sense, politeness and decency.  Well.. micky and his Harley riding, leather clad free thinking gang of forum terrors will never let it completely happen damnit.

oh and regards John Wetton... the less said the better... I lost complete respect for him at the last Nearfest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 10:13
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

bah...  this place has become the PMRC of internet sites... a damn church group. LOL What kind of internet site values common sense, politeness and decency.  Well.. micky and his Harley riding, leather clad free thinking gang of forum terrors will never let it completely happen damnit.

oh and regards John Wetton... the less said the better... I lost complete respect for him at the last Nearfest.


LOL

I would say that his performance with District 97 at the first NJ Proghouse Homecoming Weekend was even more pathetic. He was clearly itching to play bass, and instead he found himself having to sing "edited" versions of KC's masterpieces. Cutting "Starless" short was one of the biggest crimes against music I have ever witnessed on a stage.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 10:19
I would love to know why Wetton back out of the latest KC reunion.
 
It was rather heavily hinted that he would be part of it before...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 11:27
^This is the first I've heard of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 11:52
Well perhaps the word "controversial" was a bit too heavy a word, actually I have a lot of praise for him too, but I don't care for much of Asia's stuff (admittedly I have not heard everything from them), but then yes, he was not the only one to try being more commercial. I loved that he and Jobson did the UK Reunion, the thread actually came after watching again the video from that tour (the Tokio concert) and enjoying it a lot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 12:58
^How you or anyone perceives Wetton's career is valid, Garard. I don't think that's an issue. But I would just like to point out that it may appear a bit too focused on just one individual. Yes, Genesis et al, all went the commercial route, as it was a fixture of that era. Good God, even Renaissance made a dreadful pop album (Time Line) that I don't like, but I understand why they had to go in that direction. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 16:30
Hi,
 
Weird ... two of the most appreciated KC albums featured in the recent concerts ... and the bass player in those two albums? Mr. Wetton! RED and STARLESS
 
Very strange discussion ... people fit sometimes in the weirdest of manners, but I think if there ever was a highlight in his career that he appreciates would be KC ... that he made the call to leave and go do more pop music, is another story and discussion.
 
His work with FAMILY is just fine, though weird.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 16:53
Wetton's cool with me.  He's a good guy that's been on some great recordings.  That's enough for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2015 at 16:57
I like his bass playing, but I´ve never been able to appreciate his voice and singing style.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2015 at 06:17
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

and with Roxy in 76..? before UK....Wetton and Jobson get fired up  at the end of the song.
 
 


The live album Viva and this song in particular got me into Roxy Music. Smile

I was just watching the extras from new box Larks' set.  When Wetton was prog he was the best.  I like his voice and singing, too.


Edited by Slartibartfast - February 01 2015 at 06:18
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2015 at 06:19
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Both Richard and Raff's posts should be held up as a model of common sense and decency on the intertit. Agree with every word


damnit Steve... I guess that is why Raff has more forum thanks than me.  AngryLOL

decency..  common sense? What ever happened to Prog Archives we once knew. 

pfff...


It all went to hell when you two went on hiatus.  You guys have a lot to do to fix it now. heheheheheh
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2015 at 11:36
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

and with Roxy in 76..? before UK....Wetton and Jobson get fired up  at the end of the song.
 
 


The live album Viva and this song in particular got me into Roxy Music. Smile

I was just watching the extras from new box Larks' set.  When Wetton was prog he was the best.  I like his voice and singing, too.
 
that live album kicks serious arse , pity it wasn't a 'double'.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2015 at 12:56
TALENTED & VERSATILE 

Elite bass player and one of the best voices in Prog...What else can you ask?

Ivan



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2015 at 13:00
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned John's short-lived band "Qango" yet!  

p.s. as usual, I agree with our friend Ivan (above). 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2015 at 13:56
Never liked his voice apart from some slow tracks. Decent bass player but he never stood out like many other bass players
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 02 2015 at 01:15
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

TALENTED & VERSATILE 

Elite bass player and one of the best voices in Prog...What else can you ask?

Ivan

 
Some are saying he should have spent more time in prog bands. This is understandable and I would have preferred more UK and less Asia but I respect his choices.
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