How do you define Old and New Prog?

'83-'85 was the big changeover, really: '83 had Depois Do Fim and '84 had Marsbeli Kronikak to close out classic symphonic, and that period had the first big neo, particularly of course Marillion (Script For A Jester's Tear '83, Misplaced Childhood '85).

Micky (my husband)  and I are working on the albums that will be part of this summer's Battle of the Bands, and so far we have decided (with the help of other Collabs) on 1985 as the watershed between Classic and Modern prog. Some people, however, maintain that 1989 is the cut-off date.

Ahhhhh. 1989.

Walter............

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Still digging them tunes

Cristi wrote: Raff wrote: Micky (my husband)  and I are working on the albums that will be part of this summer's Battle of the Bands, and so far we have decided (with the help of other Collabs) on 1985 as the watershed between Classic and Modern prog. Some people, however, maintain that 1989 is the cut-off date. so what happened in 1985? or 1989 for that matter?

1985 was the heyday of the Neo-Prog movement, after which things started going into a decline (albeit a temporary one. It was also the year before Metallica's Master of Puppets (a seminal album for progressive metal) was released. Most importantly, though, we (and other Collabs) felt that most of the albums released after 1985 wouldn't really qualify as belonging to the Classic era. Case in point: Talk Talk's Spirit of Eden, by many considered as the first post-rock album.

There is no such thing as New Prog, it's a made-upism originally coined by lazy journalists around 10 years ago for bands like Muse and Coheed and Cambria (even Doves have been tagged New Prog by some bone-idle lazy-arsed muso-journalist ... oh wait, that's what they call themselves). This latest "fad" of using it when referring to modern progressive rock is a recent trend here that achieves nothing since it is inaccurate and misleading. I see now that it has even wheedled its way into Wikipedia - this is of course because Wikipedia is edited by know it all spotty numpties who only think they know it all.

Edited by Dean - February 01 2015 at 18:32

Argonaught wrote: Lear'sFool wrote: '83-'85 was the big changeover, really: '83 had Depois Do Fim  I might be mistaken, but I believe that Depois Do Fim was recorded in the 1970s, but not released until 1983.

^ It certainly was recorded in your backyard, but everything I read says cut '78, first played on the radio '82, and physically released '83.

Everything went to hell musically after 1979. So there's that.

Old Prog was made a long time ago

For me, new prog is a music by any prog band that has released the debut album in last five-six years.
However, differences in the styles of prog rock viewed by decades are enormous, and when we know that the prog rock does not come only from one country and that the prog rock varies by country of origin, just like bread or beer, that increases the difference between the old and the new.

For example, prog rock in the country where I was born - former Yugoslavia - beginning in the late sixties based at Yugoslav vision of prog rock without a direct influence from some foreign prog rock styles and, what is the most important, our singers were singing in the mother language what I consider very important and so beautiful because nothing creates more diversity than language does.

This is one of the first Yugoslav prog epics titled Prvo svetlo u kući broj 4 ("The First Light in the House Number 4"), recorded in 1969, by Belgrade's band Korni Grupa (also know as Kornelyans - they were released an album in Italy), and released in 1970 as EP.



Punk rock and New Wave in '80s were disaster for prog rock in this corner of the world, but somehow it was born again. However, it's now something absolutely different than that ancient Yugoslav prog. So here is a pretty original instrumental track and great video released in 2009 - so that's 40 yrs after above track was recorded - by Belgrade's band Tripcycle; already in Prog Archives as Eclectic prog band and as one of the first acts that were added to PA due to my suggestions as well



Everyone can see (hear) that incredible difference between the two authentic tracks from two different epochs; that diversity is complete and stunning.













Edited by Svetonio - February 02 2015 at 04:53