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SteveG
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Topic: Freak Out!: Mother's Of Invention. Posted: February 21 2015 at 09:12 |
The album of the moment! FZ's first album never grabbed me musically or lyrically. He made his Freak Out points on this loosely connected "concept" album and more or less set in stone the vocal delivery style for his following albums. What's your opinion on Freak Out? And is Trouble For Me really the first recorded rap song?
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Posted: February 21 2015 at 10:51 |
This one get better with time for me. One of my top 5 FZ albums these days.
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Posted: February 21 2015 at 11:17 |
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Posted: February 21 2015 at 11:31 |
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Posted: February 22 2015 at 16:51 |
An amazing album, and the first prog rock album ever recorded.
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Posted: February 22 2015 at 16:52 |
Very good in the beginning, great at the end, not so much in the middle. Average overall.
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Posted: March 04 2015 at 02:19 |
I have 33 Zappa albums, this ISN'T one of them........I don't know why, I've just avoided buying it every time I see it. I love Absolutely Free, and Lumpy Gravy.........even love quite a few Ruben songs (Deseri is just perfect).
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Posted: March 05 2015 at 23:47 |
It starts out with the very first use of a wah wah pedal with a pretty fine lead on Hungry Freaks Daddy. It closes with Return of the Son of Monster Magnet, which explains all by itself why Zappa forms the prototype for the Avant(/RIO) genre. It's a nowhere near as professional sounding as later material, but it's among some of his most experimental stuff. A lot more dissonance back then, which has a lot to do with him being influenced by Varése. I'd forgotten how Africanized or tribal sounding Monster Magnet was. I don't remember anything else sounding quite that way, even from the next couple albums.
I love Freak Out! However, I view the album in much the same fashion as ITCOCK. I always have sense of the album as something of an artifact, something for which I'll never be able to fully absorb its impact unless I was there listening to it in 1965 when it first came out. Alas, I wasn't born until '66.
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 00:54 |
^ Yes, but we do imagine how it 'would've' sounded like had we been there.......
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 03:19 |
HackettFan wrote:
I always have sense of the album as something of an artifact, something for which I'll never be able to fully absorb its impact unless I was there listening to it in 1965 when it first came out. Alas, I wasn't born until '66. |
It was recorded in March 1966, and released in June 1966. I was four in October 1966, but didn't hear Freak Out! until a friend of mine got a copy in the late 80s. It's a splendid album.
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 05:27 |
SteveG wrote:
FZ's first album never grabbed me musically or lyrically. |
Pretty much.
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 05:48 |
I got into Frank in latter '70's and didn't get this album until 2005. I find it interesting that this album was ever released when it was, so I appreciate it for what it is. Trouble Every Day, remains my favorite because it is partly dated and partly universal to any era... "Well you can cool it You can heat it.. 'Cause, baby, I don't need it.. Take your tv tube and eat it 'N all that phony stuff on sports 'N all those unconfirmed reports You know I watched that rotten box Until my head began to hurt From checkin' out the way The newsmen say they get the dirt Before the guys on channel so-and-so And further they assert That any show they'll interrupt To bring you news if it comes up They say that if the place blows up They'll be the first to tell" I'm going to add a clarification - to any era of the TV age...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 07:11 |
^ yeah. I listen to that and immediately launch into a few 'hell yeah Frank'
prog album? whatever. Great album? No doubt. I see it more as the first alternative rock album actually.
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 07:16 |
micky wrote:
^ yeah. I listen to that and immediately launch into a few 'hell yeah Frank'
prog album? whatever. Great album? No doubt. I see it more as the first alternative rock album actually.
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Why not as the first art-rock album? It would be more logical than alt.rock, isn't?
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 07:27 |
It was a statement of everything wrong in the world man. It was social commentary and critque, giving a finger to all that was wrong in the world. In my mind a helluva lot more in tune with 'alternative' rock than English Art-Rock. IMO the music was secondary to the overall message in that album. I'd damn well bet my paycheck, and yours that is exactly what Frank intended. Art-Rock? Nah.. I don't see it.
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 08:03 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ Yes, but we do imagine how it 'would've' sounded like had we been there....... |
Oh sure, we try, perhaps with reasonable success. I was around as a youth during some of the later hippie years, living across the road from a university. My parents and I even got caught in some tear gas once, so it's not altogether alien. But ultimately, it's like the old question how can someone appreciate an Ancient Greek sculpture the same way an Ancient Greek did?
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 10:44 |
A friend used to play for us It Can't Happen Here, a laugh riot. Eventually picked up Freak Out, and it wasn't my cup of tea although I can see how Zappa enthusiasts appreciate it.
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Posted: March 06 2015 at 10:57 |
micky wrote:
It was a statement of everything wrong in the world man. It was social commentary and critque, giving a finger to all that was wrong in the world. In my mind a helluva lot more in tune with 'alternative' rock than English Art-Rock. IMO the music was secondary to the overall message in that album. I'd damn well bet my paycheck, and yours that is exactly what Frank intended. Art-Rock? Nah.. I don't see it.
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60s English Art-Rock actually was Symphonic rock, early English psychedelia, Hammond organ driven Heavy Rock and Canterbury scene (I apologize if I've forgotten something). Of course that Freak Out! have nothing to do with them. Freak Out! was / is U.S. Art-Rock IMHO. Of course, a common thing to 60s U.S. Art Rock (Zappa, Blood, Sweat & Tears, The Doors and so on) and 60s English Art Rock (Moody Blues, Family, The Nice and so on) is that they both showed greater ambitions than to make just danceable pop rock songs. However, they all were very different from each other - especialy with Atlantic ocean between them.
Edited by Svetonio - March 06 2015 at 11:00
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