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BrufordFreak
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Topic: Prog's Origins Posted: February 26 2015 at 20:04 |
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I'm pondering the cultural roots of what became progressive rock music, 1966-76. In your opinion, where did Prog originate?
Multiple votes are allowed and encouraged.
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Drew Fisher
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LearsFool
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 09 2014 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 8618 |
Posted: February 26 2015 at 20:19 | |
Definitely new tech, both in studio and the instruments themselves. New studio tech resulted in Revolver, Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper's, and Days of Future Passed, the foundational albums.
New instruments included the Mellotron and the Moog, which would be vital in the '60's and '70's iterations of the sound.
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: February 26 2015 at 20:23 | |
Great answer--the one I've been leaning towards as the #1 contributor. Thanks!
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Drew Fisher
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: February 26 2015 at 20:25 | |
Think about the excitement the Mellotron must have generated among all those classically-trained artists! The sound of an orchestra, a strings section, or a chorus at the touch of a key! No wonder 'symphonic' compositions took off for a while!
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Drew Fisher
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sublime220
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Posted: February 26 2015 at 20:33 | |
John Cage, Baby!
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There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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zravkapt
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Posted: February 26 2015 at 23:40 | |
Where's the 'all of the above' option?
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Magma America Great Make Again
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Stool Man
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Posted: February 26 2015 at 23:42 | |
In the 1960s, Jukebox companies gradually lost their tight grip on controlling the popular music industry, and popular music listening shifted from 7" 45rpm singles to 12" 33rpm LPs. The possibilities of extended playing time were first explored (outside of the classical world, which pre-dated recorded music of any sort) by jazz players such as Miles Davis & Sun Ra, and Bob Dylan was the first in the rock world to try it.
Without extended playing times, what might've happened? Imagine if there had been no Interstellar Overdrive, no Ars Longa Vita Brevis Suite, no Abbey Road medley, and so on. |
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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richardh
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 01:49 | |
Drugs , Counter Culture , New Tech and Zappa!
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Svetonio
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 02:09 | |
I voted "other" as all of that, and beyond.
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friso
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 24 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 2505 |
Posted: February 27 2015 at 04:11 | |
it came mostly from England initially
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 05:14 | |
I voted almost everything but for Cage, Stockhausen and Shankar (which doesn't mean it was not the case, btw)
Certainly, Frisco, the Beats, the drugs, and counter-culture played a major role (actually, they're pretty tied up together)... Technology and modal jazz did a lot as well. |
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CPicard
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 05:20 | |
Yes, that's what I would say. I voted "other" for it would stand for this answer. The sole fact of the apparition of new instruments (rather than "new technologies", because some technics used in recording studios for pop/rock artists were already a dozen years old) doesn't mean there are always new ways of composing, for example. Furthermore, I doubt that the cultural roots of progressive rock music are to be searched in the music of John Cage, Stockhausen or Ravi Shankar: how many rock musicians knew who was Shankar before Woodstock? |
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Michael678
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 05:42 | |
and this is why i also voted "other" as well!!
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Progrockdude
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octopus-4
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 08:01 | |
Just a coincidence, I think
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
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Walton Street
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 08:12 | |
Prog is one of the earliest styles of music. It
originated in the Mississippi Delta, a region of the United States that stretches from Memphis, Tennessee in the north to Vicksburg, Mississippi in the south, Helena, Arkansas in the west to the Yazoo River on the east. The Mississippi Delta
area is famous both for its fertile soil and its poverty. Guitar, harmonica and cigar box guitar are the dominant instruments
used, with slide guitar (usually on the steel guitar) being a hallmark of the style.
The vocal styles range from introspective and soulful to passionate and fiery. Prog
is also regarded as a regional variation of country blues. |
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CPicard
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 08:18 | |
^Sorry to differ, but if Prog was one of the earliest styles of music, it would have originated from Egypt, Mesopotamia or, better, sub-saharian Africa (Ethiopia or Tchad) and the dominant instruments would be harps, luths and battle drums.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 08:21 | |
An audience receptive to musical exploration and experimentation but with sufficient spending power to make such largesse viable for record label number crunchers in the early 70's
Edited by ExittheLemming - February 27 2015 at 08:22 |
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Walton Street
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 08:26 | |
hahahahahahaha!!!
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 08:53 | |
Cool! Had not thought of this stuff! Awesome! Thanks!
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Drew Fisher
https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: February 27 2015 at 08:59 | |
But where did Zappa get the ideas?
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Drew Fisher
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