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    Posted: April 01 2015 at 07:38
Ok, what's your opinion of this and orchestral versions of prog classics in general - should they be allowed, encouraged or banned?



In general I have normally found them a bit cringeworthy, and I wasn't that keen on the Yes attempt but this isn't too bad (although I had to skip through Nights in White Satin).

For those of you on Spotify, the whole album is available at spotify:user:1164766811:playlist:6ut11yaEayb6ZgcNM8Clpm or https://open.spotify.com/user/1164766811/playlist/6ut11yaEayb6ZgcNM8Clpm


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Well, I like to sound of Tarkus I hear in this. They seem to capture to energy of the original. That's one of the hit and miss issues with these types of releases. The arrangements and the performance. I'd very interested to hear this full album.
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I admit to quite liking these crossover albums in small doses (I take a not-so-guilty and not-so-secret pleasure in Frank Peterson's [ex-Enigma] Gregorian crossovers too). This one looks a bit like a compilation of the RPOs other albums as they've already done Floyd, Genesis, Rush and Moody Blues (I think either the LPO or the LSO have previously done Yes) - thou I am curious to hear what they've done with GG. 

Personally I prefer these "symphonic" albums without rock accompaniment - as good as Guthrie Govan and Pat Moraz are, their "bits" could be played by soloists in the orchestra - and I don't need rock-drumming on a classical album.
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I never like these albums---they usually sound very bad to me---including what I hear on this one. The only one I ever sort of liked was the Genesis one with Hackett on it many years ago---some of the songs worked. 
And of course Yes touring with an orchestra---was amazing---but that is a different thing. 
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I thought the albums that Tull alum David (Dee) Palmer did with the LSO in the 80s had some really inspired moments, like on the Tull release A Classic Case:
 
 
and for the Genesis compositions on We Know What We Like (with Steve Hackett):
 
 
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I think this is great and I hope we get more done in the future, and I think it will be there and it will cement the music and the time period as a major artistic success ... and as time goes by I think there will be more integration of rock instruments and an orchestra, albeit I stand with Dean that I won't miss almost any of the rock drumming.
 
Would be fun ... an orchestra try to do King Crimson! I bet someone in Italy or Norway or Finland or Sweden, will think of it first.
 
Wait a minute ... there's some Frank Zappa that has been done with an orchestra, isn't there? Now I have to go re-check some of the albums I have! Up to and including that one band in the East Coast that does all Zappa. It's not that great, but it's pass'able.


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I think the Brodsky Quartet would be more fitting for Crimson
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
I think this is great and I hope we get more done in the future, and I think it will be there and it will cement the music and the time period as a major artistic success ... and as time go buy I think there will be more integration of rock instruments and an orchestra, albeit I stand with Dean that I won't miss almost any of the rock drumming.
 
Would be fun ... an orchestra try to do King Crimson! I bet someone in Italy or Norway or Finland or Sweden, will think of it first.
 
Wait a minute ... there's some Frank Zappa that has been done with an orchestra, isn't there? Now I have to go re-check some of the albums I have! Up to and including that one band in the East Coast that does all Zappa. It's not that great, but it's pass'able.
 
Already been done:
 
 
Or how about a jazz version:
 


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

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Wait a minute ... there's some Frank Zappa that has been done with an orchestra, isn't there? 
Yellow Shark by Ensemble Modern.


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
Would be fun ... an orchestra try to do King Crimson! I bet someone in Italy or Norway or Finland or Sweden, will think of it first.
 
Too late - 21st Century Schizoid Man is on the album.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
Would be fun ... an orchestra try to do King Crimson! I bet someone in Italy or Norway or Finland or Sweden, will think of it first.
 
Too late - 21st Century Schizoid Man is on the album.
 
And that would probably be the very best piece for the orchestra ... I'm not sure that 50 violins, viola, strings would be any better than the mellotron!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
I think this is great and I hope we get more done in the future, and I think it will be there and it will cement the music and the time period as a major artistic success ... and as time go buy I think there will be more integration of rock instruments and an orchestra, albeit I stand with Dean that I won't miss almost any of the rock drumming.
 


I have to agree here, after listening more closely I'd rather not have the drum kit or synths or funky bass or solo guitars. But I have to concede that as a progressive fan, orchestras probably have the right to progress as well. hence the integration of 'modern' instrumentation to express modern music.

That being said, I had held out high hopes for the Emerson Three Fates project that it would be traditional orchestra music, military snare, marching band bass drum, bass lines done by cellos or violas, that sort of thing. I still long to have an interpretation of modern prog done in that vain. Remember, half of what's trying to be accomplished here is the attention grab of a younger audience as well as a satisfaction of oldies like me who wished for orchestral versions of their favourite tunes eons ago.

Still, this is by far one of the best I've heard, although I would have picked a few different tunes.
I also have a bit of a hard time with the 6 minute truncated versions of 30 minute songs.
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It's not the first time that this orchestra plays prog. They featured also in some early Wakeman's album if I don't mistake them with another one.
I haven't listened to any track, but the tracklist of the album currently on PA homepage is very intriguing.
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Wow, I thought at first this was Prog plays the Philharmonic! Times have indeed changed.
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Sounds pretty good. Maybe too many modern instruments. Also I've heard orchestras do some of these songs like "Comfortably Numb" and "Roundabout" before, but that's expected. "Think of Me with Kindness" is a greatly overlooked Gentle Giant song though. The ELP suite sounds really epic tbh.
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Points: 26107 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2015 at 01:31
Re ELP , Keith Emerson had already done this with a German orchestra under the moniker of The Three Fates Project
 
Have a watch of this really interesting stuff , featuring the Robert Redford of prog himselfSmile
 
first link is Tarkus , the second Endless Enigma a mixture of interviews and music
 
 
I love Endless Enigma done this way truly beautiful when arranged for and inc orchestra
 
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Points: 809 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2015 at 06:40
I know this is not a full orchestra, but I like the string quartet versions of tool songs by 'The Section'. They manage to have a great energy, respecting the originals and taking them somewhere else!
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