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Barbu 
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Aspic today, Salad tommorow
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Rednight
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Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive.
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 12:19 |
Two of my favorite albums. But Larks' Tongues by a lark's tongue.
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 14:09 |
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Love 'em both but gotta go with Brain Salad Surgery. I just tend to listen to that one more.
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 14:17 |
I agree with the cheese and pasta comments on BSS.......so Larks Tongues it is.
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Posted: April 19 2015 at 18:13 |
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Larks by million miles.
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Rick Robson
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Posted: April 19 2015 at 19:37 |
 Rednight wrote:
Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive. |
Interestingly that part was just what emotionally most got me hooked on at the very first listenings, its strong melodies play a great part on my feelings about it, as their whole mostly excessive instruments playing as well - another ELP's "trademark" that can not miss in their music at all.
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richardh
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Posted: April 20 2015 at 14:24 |
Rick Robson wrote:
Rednight wrote:
Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive. |
Interestingly that part was just what emotionally most got me hooked on at the very first listenings, its strong melodies play a great part on my feelings about it, as their whole mostly excessive instruments playing as well - another ELP's "trademark" that can not miss in their music at all. |
KE9 3rd Impression blows most symph prog out of the water for its first 7 minutes. But typical of ELP it then goes on bit of a detour before just about hitting the target at the end. The wandering instrumental bit I think is meant to depict a battle between the computer and the humans. Computer wins in the end! Emerson did use it as a springboard for a Hammond solo which on the album is a bit lame. What he really wanted is on the Cal Jam performance or the live triple album version. Both those smoke the album version easily.
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Posted: April 20 2015 at 16:42 |
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^It's just that "KE9 3rd Impression" strays from the formality that preceded it on the album, setting it apart in a blatant way. Am in agreement about the Cal Jam performance. The zenith period in the group's career.
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Rick Robson
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Posted: April 20 2015 at 19:13 |
richardh wrote:
Rick Robson wrote:
Rednight wrote:
Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive. |
Interestingly that part was just what emotionally most got me hooked on at the very first listenings, its strong melodies play a great part on my feelings about it, as their whole mostly excessive instruments playing as well - another ELP's "trademark" that can not miss in their music at all. |
KE9 3rd Impression blows most symph prog out of the water for its first 7 minutes. But typical of ELP it then goes on bit of a detour before just about hitting the target at the end. The wandering instrumental bit I think is meant to depict a battle between the computer and the humans. Computer wins in the end! Emerson did use it as a springboard for a Hammond solo which on the album is a bit lame. What he really wanted is on the Cal Jam performance or the live triple album version. Both those smoke the album version easily. |
Hi Richard, right on, great call you make, it belongs in the tour Someone Get Me A Ladder, which clearly shows their peak in live shows for me. The gig at the '74 California Jam is available on YouTube, but so far listened just to the whole KE9, pure delight indeed! And Carl Palmer's druming too felt much stronger to me, besides his powerful drum solo at the end of the 1st. Impression. The 3rd Impression performance really felt like you pointed out  , and at the end Keith meant quite better that the Computer wins the battle by a wide margin  . A must have indeed, found out that it is in the CD1 of the album Then & Now (1998), already in my shopping cart.
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richardh
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Posted: April 21 2015 at 14:48 |
Rick Robson wrote:
richardh wrote:
Rick Robson wrote:
Rednight wrote:
Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive. |
Interestingly that part was just what emotionally most got me hooked on at the very first listenings, its strong melodies play a great part on my feelings about it, as their whole mostly excessive instruments playing as well - another ELP's "trademark" that can not miss in their music at all. |
KE9 3rd Impression blows most symph prog out of the water for its first 7 minutes. But typical of ELP it then goes on bit of a detour before just about hitting the target at the end. The wandering instrumental bit I think is meant to depict a battle between the computer and the humans. Computer wins in the end! Emerson did use it as a springboard for a Hammond solo which on the album is a bit lame. What he really wanted is on the Cal Jam performance or the live triple album version. Both those smoke the album version easily. |
Hi Richard, right on, great call you make, it belongs in the tour Someone Get Me A Ladder, which clearly shows their peak in live shows for me. The gig at the '74 California Jam is available on YouTube, but so far listened just to the whole KE9, pure delight indeed! And Carl Palmer's druming too felt much stronger to me, besides his powerful drum solo at the end of the 1st. Impression. The 3rd Impression performance really felt like you pointed out , and at the end Keith meant quite better that the Computer wins the battle by a wide margin . A must have indeed, found out that it is in the CD1 of the album Then & Now (1998), already in my shopping cart.
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Yep nice 2 CD set ( great artwork by Giger especially!) and also their is also a DVD featuring the a chunk of the Cal Jam performance when you see the Moog sprout wings! Palmer is indeed superb and Lake makes a nice contribution guitar wise as well. Although its probably not that important I love the slight pause before Emerson launches into the solo. His timing is immaculate. Its almost sad watching the whole thing and knowing they would never scale those heights again.
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Posted: April 22 2015 at 11:23 |
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BSS by several parsecs.
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Gully Foyle
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Posted: April 22 2015 at 11:54 |
Larks - a groundbreaking album
And, hate as you will, but ELP is just awful in every possible way
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Posted: April 22 2015 at 12:10 |
Larks' Tongues In Aspic Shark Lungs In Asterix Mark's Lounge In Aspen Tart's Bon In Austria
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timothy leary
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Posted: April 22 2015 at 12:15 |
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Congrats on editing.
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addictedtoprog
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Posted: April 22 2015 at 12:20 |
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LTIA
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: April 22 2015 at 12:43 |
timothy leary wrote:
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Thanks. My fingers won't work properly today.
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 23 2015 at 10:37 |
As Gully mentioned LTIA was indeed a groundbreaking album and imo so was the first ELP. Sadly as time went on ELP felt the need to inject lame humor (cheese and pasta..) into many of their 'beer-hall songs' which imho ruined the flow of the albums. One wonders if Greg Lake, after dealing with Fripp's 'seriousness' while in the early KC, needed to vent a little and let loose with some humor or was this something from Emerson? At any rate it ruined my enjoyment of their music when these tracks interrupted the other longer serious pieces of music. btw....I do like ELP.
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Posted: April 25 2015 at 14:53 |
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In the battle of Asia predecessors, Mr. Fripp's group noses out Mr. Emerson's.
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richardh
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Posted: April 26 2015 at 02:50 |
^ shouldn't it be Mr Wettons and Mr Palmers given that neither Emerson or Fripp were ever in Asia? 
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