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    Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:38
It seems to me, ELP's Karn Evil 9 1st Impression Part II and Deep Purple's Flight of The Rat have pretty much similar vocal melody. Though the riff is not identical, I can hear the influence of Purple's Rat in ELP song. Is it true, or is it just me?Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 07:31
It is just you. No, really, not even close in cadence, lyricism or execution.
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 07:49
As both a huge ELP and Deep Purple fan and a sound engineer I will also say...

NOT EVEN CLOSE!

But don't feel bad, not everyone can distinguish melody and cadence differences like others. As long as you enjoy what you hear.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 09:27
I don't hear any similarity whatsoever (and like both bands) but despite that, just because any two musical ideas may have some common attributes, doesn't automatically mean plagiarism is afoot....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 10:47
Not a rip off but there IS a similarity.
Haiku

Writing a poem
With seventeen syllables
Is very diffic....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 11:30
Originally posted by Green Shield Stamp Green Shield Stamp wrote:

Not a rip off but there IS a similarity.
How so? The fact that they both happen to rhyme?
 
DEEP PURPLE:
Spread the word around
The rat is leaving town
The message is a song
The misery is gone

Once I had a dream
To sing before the queen
She didn't want to know
She wouldn't see the show

What a fright
I couldn't do it right
Oh what a night
 
ELP:
Soon the Gypsy Queen in a glaze of vaseline
Will perform on guillotine, what a scene, what a scene
Next upon the stand will you please extend a hand
To Alexander's Ragtime Band, Dixieland, Dixieland

Roll up, roll up, roll up
See the show

Performing on a stool we've a sight to make you drool
Seven virgins and a mule, keep it cool, keep it cool
We would like it to be known the exhibits that were shown
Were exclusively our own, all our own, all our own

Yes, they both rhyme, and they both contain words, some of which are the same (particularly prepositions and articles). Yet the rhyme scheme in Deep Purple's song is for the most part AABB, while in the ELP example (the scheme changes from 1st to 2nd to 3rd Impression) it is AAAABBBB. Additionally, no one could ever accuse Deep Purple of profundity in their lyrics, nor of ELP borrowing from Purple.




Edited by The Dark Elf - April 24 2015 at 11:42
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 11:40
It pains me to agree with the wee beige pixie but yeah, the proffered similarity is about as tenuous as one of Sventonio's shoo-ins for 'Prog Masterpiece'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 11:41
Couldn't care less.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 11:45
^ less would presumably include not posting at all? Left off broLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 11:54
At least I've expressed my sentiments and I'm feeling much better now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 11:56
Thanks for your outputThumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 12:22
There is a similarity in the vocal melody.
Haiku

Writing a poem
With seventeen syllables
Is very diffic....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 12:44
Melody? Not Really, Rhythm? Kinda Sorta, but only in the most abstract terms.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 13:33
This thread reminds me of One Song To The Tune Of Another, except that's a game that doesn't actually work with the two songs here.
What?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 15:26
LOL that should've been the first reply, then the thread would've stopped.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 16:49
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

LOL that should've been the first reply, then the thread would've stopped.
 
When has the use of logic ever stopped a thread?
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 18:31
I guess you could fit the same lyrics in each song and it could work
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 18:36
Does that mean Floyd ripped off Cindy Lauper - I hear similarities between Girls Just Wanna Have Fun and Learning To Fly, or I must be brain damaged. Whenever I hear that Lauper tune at work, I instantly start humming Learning To Fly.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2015 at 20:55
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Does that mean Floyd ripped off Cindy Lauper - I hear similarities between Girls Just Wanna Have Fun and Learning To Fly, or I must be brain damaged. Whenever I hear that Lauper tune at work, I instantly start humming Learning To Fly.......
Lol there is similarity for real, so this might be Pink Floyd 'borrowing' from Cindy. Even if so, I won't get heart attack from it, since Floyd post-Wall era is certainly not among the best creations of prog.
And ofc i don't rly accuse ELP  of ripping off Purple, its just a kind of provocative topic name Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2015 at 01:47
Would be some irony as the live version of Space Trucking borrows from The Nice - Rondo ( also borrowed by Genesis for The Knife). The Nice in turn borrowed from Brubeck who in turn borrowed from Mozart. Ah now I've got it , everyone rips off Mozart!Wink
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