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    Posted: April 25 2015 at 10:42

In response to Angelo grabbing his coat and fleeing the room in another thread over nostalgia, I decided to look to the future with my crystal ball and ask what you think Prog will be like in 20 years time. Keep in mind that many of our pioneering prog gods will be in their nineties and no longer performing (hopefully) but that Steven Wilson will be producing music with guitars, basses and keyboards acquired from his heroes like Robert Fripp, Geddy Lee et al.

 
I personally see more of the same with outré genres like Tech/Death groups dropping growls for clean vocals and other bands adhering to the status quo of Prog's now defined structures and motifs.
 
All of this is pure speculation, of course, but how do you envision Prog in the year 2035?


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hard to say. Some will be kind of the same. I feel like experimental metal in general will die down a bit. There'll still be some symphonic style bands. Electronic music will generally become more prevalent, as musicians will make less and less money and touring will become more expensive.

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LOL Lovely, Steve... I never thought someone would take the bait...

But - prog will be different then in the sense that the people interested will be us (I'll be retiring around that time), and a bunch of younger people who are now learning to play musical instruments and listening to the likes of Opeth, Motorpsycho, Seven Impale, Steven Wilson and perhaps some of the RIO/Avant that appears now, like Ut Gret. That will be blended in with classic rock and original prog, following in the steps of the (by then 54 year old) Peter Jones of Tiger Moth Tales. 
I expect that electronics and perhaps even the dance music of modern day DJs may be included in a way I cannot predict right now - but to a lesser extend than what people learn now from listening to aforementioned bands, and The Flower Kings, Marillion, Genesis, Yes, King Crimson and Pink Floyd. The big names will always be major influences, that won't change much over 20 years unless a new musical revolution occurs.
So, more of the intricate melodic works we see now, with new influences and technology added if new musicians indeed decide do look forward instead of into the past.

The amount of 'old guys' playing and touring will likely be smaller though, because although the amount of bands and releases is massive, I see a lot of new albums being released by musicians in their 40s and sometimes even 50s who decided to release something after spending years in a 'regular day job'. They'll have slightly different careers over the next 20 years than say Steve Hackett and Rick Wakeman had over the past 40. 

As far as vocals are concerned, I tend to agree with you - many bands that started with grunts and growls have switched to melodic vocals, and the extreme metal genre will be a lot smaller in 20 years.

Artists that I hope will still be around to take over the roles of the the dinosaurs (Hackett, Howe, Waters, etc) and mammoths (Stolt, Gildenlöw, Trewavas etc) would be amongst others Franck Carducci, Peter Jones, and Unreal City's Emanuele Tarasconi.

And I'll be enjoying it on vinyl from a chair on the porch of a log cabin somewhere in a rural area that I have yet to discover. Wink
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From the Shred to the Shed to the AZ to the grave. How do I envision Prog in the year 2035?
Twenty more years of eulogies and baby showers for the unexpectant mother to be.

Warning: there are traces of sarcasm in this post.
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In 2035 almost nobody will be making money from music; 99% of new music will be free to the world and 90% of the human race won't care about any of it.
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I love the positive approach of the new generation.
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I imagine it would be pretty much like today except everyone would be 20 years older and we'd have a second wave of wrinklies bemoaning that everything made after 2019 is crap and starting rumours about the second coming of Toby Driver. Steven Wilson would have completed his remix/remastering of every Prog album made between 1968 and 1983 but just as he starts work on The Sentinel by Pallas the studio he is working in is destroyed by a mysterious and inexplicable gas explosion. In other news a Mr Jim Garten, a retired gentleman of Stevenage was reported missing after telling his wife that he was "just popping out to the shed." He was last seen with a wheelbarrow full of nitrate fertiliser and several bags of sugar. Mike Oldfield releases Tubular Bells X at an open air concert in the grounds of an Eastborne Nursing Home that is simultaneously broadcast to Residential Care Homes around the world. In one just outside Paris an elderly gentleman woke up, shouted "I wrote that!" in a language that is apparently called Kobaïan and went back to sleep. Meanwhile, on the Progressive Archives website someone started a "Waht Ist Yr Fvrite DT Trk?" at exactly the same time as someone else opened a "Did Da Punkz Killz Prgz!" thread causing the server to go into meltdown, opening a time portal to 1974 where a very angry Robert Fripp was heard to shout "Shut that bloody door!". In the United States of Canada Rush celebrated the release their 100th Greatest Hits album.

...or something like that.
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2035: PA opens new sections in its database:
- Progressive Hip-Hop;
- Intelligent Dance Music;
- Great Black Music;
- Women Prog.
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About the same, but it will be played by robots. 
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Instead of only 19-20 prog artists making enough money to survive off of there will be like 2 or 3.
http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/



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That many?! Shocked
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^Yes, the likes of Yes, Genesis and King Crimson, of course.
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Points: 12665 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2015 at 12:55
The embalmed brain of Robert Fripp will be used as a sacrament in the sacrificial rites among the remaining clans of the Pwoggy tribe, found in the twisted steel and concrete jungles of the town of Lud.
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

2035: PA opens new sections in its database:
- Intelligent Dance Music;

IDM would actually fit well on the site imo. LOL
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Prog fans will watch via hologram (smartly made by footages from the 70s) their beloved legends of Symphonic rock (and Pink Floyd) that to play on the computer desk, kitchen table or whatever, but yet in a real size only if they will not be stingy and spend more money for the best version and if they have enough big backyard.

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Only two more posts before Guldbamsen moves this to Just for Fun. That would be a shame...
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Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Instead of only 19-20 prog artists making enough money to survive off of there will be like 2 or 3.

Did anyone consider that without commercial concerns, popular music would actually be a true art form, and that change would occur from that altered dynamic?
 
Or commercialization would continue in some other form and we would be right back where we started.
 
Or someone could make a TV show based on a mock music group and call it Da Monkez.
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Neo- Neo Prog

Ripping off Pendragon/IQ/Cool name here. 
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Geek + Stern Smile ... [serious technical face]

Judging by the speed in which technology advances and how slow markets are to react I suspect that in 20 years the music industry will have caught-up with the state of technology that we currently have. They will continue to make money and the Madonna's of that world will continue to be millionaires, the exponential earnings differential will still exist and 20% of the artists will still earn 95% of the sales revenue from music. Prog will remain a niche market and earnings will remain low for all Prog artists.

Note: How the media market plays out depends upon the hardware and technology that is used to play it. Look at your iPhone... that's the future of all media technology - small memory, no external storage.

CDRs and the technology that we currently use for playing and burning our own CDs etc., will be as obsolete as the floppy disc is today, along with all of the interface standards that we currently rely on (for example USB will be as obsolete as RS232 or PCMCIA has been for the past 20 years). Computer memory will be entirely cache-memory with no capability for long-term storage. Internal and external hard-drives will not exist. The concept of files will be obsolete - everything will be a data-stream that will be accessed from the cloud, this will render the idea of any person owning data as a thing of the past. Everything will be streamed and once uploaded it will become the property of the service provider. Downloads will be obsolete as there will be no where to save them to.

Note: If you think that the current initiatives by your respective governments for total coverage of fast broadband and cell-phone is to aid the consumer then think again - no government is that altruistic or public spirited.

All music will be streamed from subscription services run and operated by the major media corporation ... or MicroApplesoftSony as it will probably be known. This will possibly be a two-tier operation with 'signed' artists commanding a premium-rate streaming (pay-per-listen) and 'unsigned' artists at lower cost streaming (this could even be a pay-to-play subscription service to the artists until they exceed a prescribed number of streams per track). As with today - 'signed' artists will have their recording costs covered by the corporation, the 'unsigned' artists will be self-financed - the only difference will be that being 'signed' will be an automatic process that switches in (and out) once a fixed number of streams has been achieved. [They probably won't use the terms 'signed' and 'unsigned' but something equivalent]. 

Note: Most of us have already bought into a basic form of this business model so these predictions are not that far-fetched.

A new form of analogue streaming would have been perfected based upon FM technology that will allow analogue audio to be time-compressed so that an entire album (or performance) can be streamed in a few seconds and then time-expanded in the receiver. Internal storage of this expanded data will be on solid-state analogue "tape"  - a development of magnetoresistive memory cells and/or graphine technology. While this will not impress the dedicated audiophilist (see next prediction) it will be widely adopted by the classical music world and used extensively for fast data transmission between recording studios so will become the de facto standard for all high quality audio. 

Note: Okay, that is pure speculation and crystal-ball gazing on my part but once developments in digital technology have plateaued out, (which I'm fairly confident it will), the major tech companies will switch their R&D over to analogue technology, but first they will have to create a market and a demand for the product.

There will be a small pocket of resistance to this change in how technology is used. For the purposes of this post I will call them The Hardy Boys. These will be the die-hard audiophilists who will hold-on to hard-copy of their media. To meet this small and very niche demand hard copies of music (and film) will still be available through specialist suppliers at inflated prices (low demand=high prices). The upside of this is all formats will be available - from tape through to vinyl and CD, even 8-track for those who really want it.


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