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Smurph 
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Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
 Posted: May 06 2015 at 15:59 |
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^Well if your father is Piero Scaruffi then he would still be right from his own perspective.
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: May 07 2015 at 00:49 |
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If you do prefer an example of an album that was regarding as an instant classic album in a very short time after its releasing date, but in another genre, then London Calling is a perfect example of an instant classic album. Yes, time is needed that something get a classic status, and nobody could deny that, but it could be a very short time, i.e. some albums could be called 'istant classic'. Actually, there's a huge number of examples of that, so there also must be some nice example of instant classic album that would serve even your sublime taste.
p.s. By the way, Leonardo Pavkovic, owner and producer of MoonJune Records, for example right now organizes a tour of Tony Levin and Scott Henderson, he organized entire tours in last 15 years of Allan Holdsworth, Leonardo is just came back from Japan with Soft Machine Legacy... So, your comment about Xadu as "two unemployed college kids in their mom's living room noodling around with the foot pedals and snares they got for Christmas" is, to put it mildly, a nonsense. Edited by Svetonio - May 07 2015 at 06:04 |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: May 07 2015 at 04:37 |
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This raises an interesting point. 1990 was pretty much the nadir of Progressive Rock's popularity so it is unlikely that anyone at that time would have called it a classic album, in fact Prog was so unpopular that few, if any, Prog albums would have been regarded as classic albums in the same breath as Led Zepp IV or Fleetwood Mac's Rumours. Back then Progressive Rock really was a dirty word, as Wakeman once joked - old Yes albums were sold under the counter in brown-paper bags to avoid embarrassment. 70s artists who had survived the 80s (Yes, Genesis, Crimson, Floyd, Rush) did so by not being Prog and their earlier back-catalogues were kinda overlooked or ignored. Floyd got a free-pass for Dark Side and The Wall because they were not seen as being Progressive Rock albums per se due to their wider general appeal ... something that struck me as strange when I first de-lurked on the PA forum was how many people still regarded Floyd as not a Prog band on the strength of these albums alone but accepted Genesis and Rush (and to some extent Yes) despite their later success as 'mainstream' bands. Some Prog albums may have been seen as classic albums between the mid 70s and mid 80s but I don't recall that they were. Highly regarded in their own time certainly but probably not viewed as classics. Edited by Dean - May 07 2015 at 05:25 |
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tamijo
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Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
Posted: May 07 2015 at 05:13 |
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Besides the foolish construction "Instant Classic" witch is totaly absurd, the hole idear of classic albums i very subjective. Is Close to the Edge a classic album ?, to those people who like Yes - sure, to most people who like prog - ya, but if you hit the street and stop people, ask them if "Close to the Edge" is a classic rock album, im sure you will most often get a "what".
So basicly my answer would be, as a rock album - no ! There is not that many prog albums, that is "classic rock albums" in the general opinion. And most of them is by Pink Floyd. Edited by tamijo - May 07 2015 at 05:14 |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Dean
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 05:22 |
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^ I think we can safely assume that the "Classic album of Progressive Rock" as implied by the OP and by virtue that this thread is in a Prog lounge of a Prog forum that we are not necessarily confined to just talking about Prog albums that are also seen as "classic rock albums" in general.
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tamijo
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Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
Posted: May 07 2015 at 05:38 |
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Yes but funny enoug, i was more refering to your post just above mine:
Dean :"1990 was pretty much the nadir of Progressive Rock's popularity so it is unlikely that anyone at that time would have called it a classic album, in fact Prog was so unpopular that few, if any, Prog albums would have been regarded as classic albums " and not to the intension in the OP's post. As i said as a prog album, Close..... is a classic, but not to the general rock audience not in 1990 and not today. Would you disagree that it was a classic in 1990 to a prog audience ? Edited by tamijo - May 07 2015 at 05:42 |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: May 07 2015 at 05:58 |
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It would be pretty foolish If we take that term literally, if we say for example "this LP was classic already under press ", but no one says so; in fact, some albums need a very short time to get a classic status and they are called 'instant clasic', and as there are so different sub-genres of progressive rock that means that an album which is already regarded as classic in one sub-genre could be just ignored by fans of other sub-genre of progressive rock and it's perfectly normal. |
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Dean
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 06:05 |
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It's relative of course. I think there are fans of "classic rock" (ie not specifically Prog fans) who would regard Close To The Edge as being a classic album without even knowing Relayer or Tales for example just because You and I features on so many "classic rock" compilation albums.
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chopper
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 06:50 |
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OK, so ignoring the fact that you've contradicted yourself by saying "instant classic" is an oxymoron but then giving an example of one, there is no way an album on bandcamp that I suspect very few people have heard is a "classic", instant or otherwise.
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tamijo
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 06:55 |
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Yes, agree, some prog albums have classic status, even outside prog circles, guess you could say the same about Aqualung, In the Court, and even some Zappa albums.
But if we are looking for Classic as in Zeppelin (I) or Eagels (Hotel) or Mac (Rumours), The White album, A Night at the opera, ect ect., I can only think of Floyd and Oldfields "Bells". |
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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tamijo
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 07:00 |
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Ignore Svetonio, he is spamming Advertisings
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Padraic
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Posted: May 07 2015 at 08:47 |
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For whatever it's worth, at that time and in my neck of the woods, it was fairly close to what you describe. I first discovered Yes via a random double CD my father had acquired that was basically an Atlantic Records anniversary compilation; it happened to have "Heart of the Sunrise" on it and the rest was history. Classic rock radio would often play "I've Seen All Good People" and "Roundabout", but I can't remember much else. Similarly "Lucky Man" was all you'd get from ELP. The term "prog rock" was absolutely never, ever bandied about regarding Floyd, for which Dark Side (Time, Money), The Wall (Another Brick, Hey You, etc.), and some of Wish You Were Here were played heavily. I had no idea until later in the decade that Genesis had a prog rock period for which Peter Gabriel was their lead singer; I'm sure it was different in England but I had never heard a 70s Genesis track on FM radio, ever. Similarly, King Crimson was totally ignored over here and never played. Rush was mostly limited to early 80s material. I was fortunate to know a few kids in high school that knew "prog rock" to get me started - young people today are so fortunate to have the internet and this site in particular. |
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The Dark Elf
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VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 12683 |
Posted: May 07 2015 at 08:51 |
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So, in your opinion, this Pavkovic fellow's output equals ECM's output? What possible tangible information could you base this on? What albums from MoonJune Records have been unqualified critically-acclaimed worldwide successes? You offer a badly written blurb directly from the record company, and that is somehow proof of your claim? I won't even get into record sales numbers because we all know there haven't been any. Try to stay in context with the discussion. Try to make sense.
What does London Calling have to do with this discussion about prog rock? What next Anarchy in the U.K.? 
What does a producer of a record company doing tours with talented musicians have to do with your "instant classic" comments regarding Xadu's band practice videos mired in the desolation of the Bandcamp site? Nearly every record company has had high profile, successful musicians but also had bands that are still living in their mother's basement after they managed to sell three albums. Your example does not equate and is utterly spurious. Stop the nonsense. Stop the spamming. |
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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Green Shield Stamp
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Joined: February 17 2009 Location: Telford, UK Status: Offline Points: 933 |
Posted: May 07 2015 at 13:02 |
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^ Svetonio's reference to 'London Calling' is merely used to illustrate that the term 'instant classic' can be applied to albums (the genre is irrelevant surely).
I can see that Svetonio's posts are sometimes controversial but rubbishing everything he says (just because he is says it) is unfair. I'm not sure I believe in the idea of an 'instant classic' myself. However, 'London Calling' (as well as 'Dark Side of the Moon') is a good example of what makes a classic (albeit not necessarily instant). In some ways the album has to transcend its genre and have a wider cultural significance. I'm sure that many people bought (and have continued to buy) 'London Calling' but are not necessarily fans of punk. The music of the Clash connected with the times and mirrored its society. The Beatles 'Sgt Pepper' is also a classic. It is difficult to think of mid-to-late 1960s society and culture without considering the impact of the Beatles, and Sgt Pepper in many ways defines a moment in the history of western culture. The same is true of prog classics. Dark Side of the Moon sold by the shed-load throughout the 1970s. At the time it was not necessarily regarded as a prog album - the Floyd were playing a style of rock music that was contemporary in that social / historical / cultural context. They were part of, and helped to shape the evolution of rock music. As I have stated in an earlier post the term prog is retrospective. However, in terms of cultural significance..... that ship has sailed. There are many exciting bands playing prog today but culturally the genre is a marginalised niche. Sure, there are many brilliant albums being made but they are not classics in the way that Dark Side of the Moon is. In many ways the very word 'prog' is a paradox because one one hand it denotes progressiveness but on the other hand it is retrogressive in its application because it is (and forever will be) associated with a short-lived, evolutionary stage of rock music from the early-to-mid 1970s. But so what? Who cares? Just because prog (as we now call it) no longer has such cultural impact, does it matter? Does it make the music any less enjoyable? Edited by Green Shield Stamp - May 07 2015 at 17:30 |
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: May 08 2015 at 01:26 |
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Oh and what about Steely Dan's Aja ? THE masterpiece of 70s jazz-rock that was widely accepted not only by jazz-rock fans in second-half of 70s, and yet it was radio-friendly? Also, the album was regarded as an instant classic album by Steely Dan and jazz-rock in general. There are a number of progressive rock album that were widely accepted by rock audience at that time; mainly because of wider rock audience at that time who generaly were buying the albums of all genres of rock music in 70s, especially in the second-half of decade, so it was nothing spectacular to see that some kid had in his collection and listen to both Kiss' Destroyer and Genesis' Wind & Wuthering. Last but not least, some of us who are not coming from English speaking nations, we have had also our own 70s prog rock that was sung in our native language(s) as a general rule, as it was made only for our ears and hearts as well, and we also know some domestic progressive rock albums that were being regarded here as instant classic albums; that was for example Crna Dama by Smak (1977), but also we know the albums that later were become the classic albums here, as for example space rock s/t debut from 1979 by Igra Staklenih Perli, which has become a classic album here some years later after its releasing date. *** in seventies it was hardly to hear (or read) that somebody called TDSotM *progressive rock*, although the Floyds as the band was generaly regarded as a kind of psychedelia that is related to prog rock, mainly because of all of those studio effects that they were used on TDSotM. p.s. And, of course, due to the TDSotM artwork which was unusual for a psychedelic rock LP at that time.
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: May 08 2015 at 04:29 |
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Truth is Svetonio or Pjer or Hose or whatever your real name is, I no longer care what you think. Over the past few weeks you have lost what little credibility you had by revealing your on-screen alter-ego(s) to be untrustworthy, manipulative, deceitful and disingenuous. You may be a lovely chap in real life but here the image you portray with your on-screen personae has become tarnished by your questionable and unapologetic behaviour. Some may find this acceptable and even entertaining, I do not. I have debated, argued and disagreed with a lot of people and with a few rare exceptions most of them have gained my respect for that. I may never agree (or agree to disagree) with the people I discuss topics with, but I respect them more for having that opposing opinion, for listening to what I have to say and for standing up for what they believe to be true. They may not like me very much and may even view me as arrogant and opinionated but that is of no concern to me, I'm not here to make friends or enemies. However, I will give everyone the common courtesy of respecting them as people and I will give due regard to their right to disagree until they give me grounds to question that. Three weeks ago I was publicly admonished for giving sarcastic/parody replies to your posts, I accepted that reprimand and recognised that copying your behaviour even in a satirical manner was as unacceptable. Since then I have tried to refrain from reducing my replies to your level and failed. The bottom line is, I don't like the person I have to be to respond to you at any level. I apologise to all have been appalled and/or disappointed by my attitude towards the alter-egos "Svetonio" and "Komandant Shamal" - there is no excuse I can make or justification I can give, it is reprehensible. I cannot make promises I know I cannot keep, so all I can say is from this moment on I'll try to be the person I was before he arrived. peace out.
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tboyd1802
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Posted: May 08 2015 at 13:03 |
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Putting on my infallable prognostication hat, I gotta say I agree.
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sublime220
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Posted: May 08 2015 at 14:35 |
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This was beautiful
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There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: May 09 2015 at 03:46 |
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Not sure if any of the following would be considered as belonging to any historical pantheon of 1st Gen Prog but as far as albums recorded post 1979 goes:
The Unravelling - Knifeworld from 2014 2nd Hands - the Gourishankar from 2007 III - Barbaro from 2007 In Absentia - Porcupine Tree from 2002 In my book these might eventually earn 'classic' status as Prog influenced modern rock albums |
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lop
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Posted: May 10 2015 at 13:05 |
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i would say the most modern classics are dream theater's, they broke ground in the prog METAL category. (their 5 or so amazing albums before they sold out)
aside from that, tangent (place in the queue), porcupine tree (in absentia), beardfish (sleeping in traffic) are all easily modern classics imo.
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