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    Posted: May 15 2015 at 10:57
For your consideration: Who comes to mind in regards to a talented musician being ousted from a prog act under less than desirable (or respectable) circumstances? That would be Patrick Moraz for me. He helped bring a historically new and edgy sound to a group reeling from the earlier loss of another keyboard player who'd been instrumental in raising it into prog greatness. Moraz was said to have been shown the door with little to no accolades afforded him for the great work he'd done. His contribution, though, to what is regularly lauded in Prog Archives as one of the greatest albums of all time, Relayer, has stood the test of time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 11:53
Lemmy getting kicked out of Hawkwind. He had had his differences with other members of the band, but when he got detained at the US/Canadian border, the rest of the band just drove off without him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 12:31
Anyone have any clues as to why Chris Maitland was released from Porcupine Tree?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 12:47
The day Jon Theodore left Volta was the 2nd worst day for that band.

The day Ikey left was the worst day for that band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 12:54
Originally posted by Lear'sFool Lear'sFool wrote:

Lemmy getting kicked out of Hawkwind. He had had his differences with other members of the band, but when he got detained at the US/Canadian border, the rest of the band just drove off without him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 12:55
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

For your consideration: Who comes to mind in regards to a talented musician being ousted from a prog act under less than desirable (or respectable) circumstances? That would be Patrick Moraz for me. He helped bring a historically new and edgy sound to a group reeling from the earlier loss of another keyboard player who'd been instrumental in raising it into prog greatness. Moraz was said to have been shown the door with little to no accolades afforded him for the great work he'd done. His contribution, though, to what is regularly lauded in Prog Archives as one of the greatest albums of all time, Relayer, has stood the test of time.
 
I would be interested in hearing both sides of the story. Moraz was also unceremoniously booted out The Moody Blues as well, so maybe he's a dick. Or not. Wink
 
Speaking of dicks, how about Ian Anderson firing John Evan and David Palmer and causing Barrie Barlow to leave? Tull was never the same thereafter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 13:01
Syd Barrett when the rest of Pink Floyd decided it was just too much effort to pick him up for a gig.

Rick Wright from Pink Floyd when Roger Waters decided he was no longer contributing enough.

Michel Berckmans from Univers Zero when Daniel Denis decided to go in another direction (damn I miss that bassoon)

Adrian Belew from King Crimson when Robert sent him a text telling him he was out.

Ozzy from Black Sabbath?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 13:02
Originally posted by sublime220 sublime220 wrote:

Originally posted by Lear'sFool Lear'sFool wrote:

Lemmy getting kicked out of Hawkwind. He had had his differences with other members of the band, but when he got detained at the US/Canadian border, the rest of the band just drove off without him.
Seconded

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 13:53
Wyatt's ejection from Soft Machine is a case in point.  According to the latest biography, it still hurts him now - he always saw the Softs as 'his' band.
On a less emotive note, Peter Blegvad's departure from the Slapp Happy/Henry Cow merger lead him to note indignantly in the sleeve notes to the Slapp Happy/Desperate Straights double CD re-release, 'I was actually fired'!  He did admit that he could not play 'Henry Cow' music...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 14:20
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Syd Barrett when the rest of Pink Floyd decided it was just too much effort to pick him up for a gig.

Rick Wright from Pink Floyd when Roger Waters decided he was no longer contributing enough.

Michel Berckmans from Univers Zero when Daniel Denis decided to go in another direction (damn I miss that bassoon)

Adrian Belew from King Crimson when Robert sent him a text telling him he was out.

Ozzy from Black Sabbath?
 
This plus Peter Banks from Yes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 14:27
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Ozzy from Black Sabbath?

Ward broke the news to Ozzy, and Ward, for the life of him, can't remember if he was a jackass about it. He says that he was drunk, as such doesn't remember, but also as such probably was toxic to Ozzy. But it's lost to history.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 16:39
When Jean-Luc Ponty was in the Frank Zappa band in 1973 he was elected by the whole band to ask Zappa for a raise.
He could leave the band mid-tour and 'oh, leave the sheet music there on the table, please.'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 16:44
Mike Portnoy and Dream Theater recreating the famous scene from Friends when Ross and Rachel "we were on a break".  LOL 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 17:41
The first example of Moraz is a bit ironic in that the same apparently happened to Jon Anderson.
 
Richie Blackmore was notorious for kicking people out of Rainbow - Jimmy Bain and Ronnie James Dio, for example.
 
Noel Redding and Mitch Mitchell only knew of the end of the Experience when they heard Band of Gypsy's on the radio.
 
Nigel Tufnel walked out on Spinal Tap and David St. Hubbins made it clear he was not to be welcomed back (until he was).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 17:48
Originally posted by tboyd1802 tboyd1802 wrote:

Anyone have any clues as to why Chris Maitland was released from Porcupine Tree?

I haven't got any exact information on this topic, but I always assumed that it was because Wilson wanted a more metal-sounding drummer to play on much heavier-sounding In Absentia.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 18:13
^I thought Maitland could be an awesome drummer in PT's early heavy songs like 'Russia on Ice'. Not that I'm complaining, Gavin Harrison is amazing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 21:43
There are more drumming moments that I notice when listening to Comma Divine and Warzawa than withe the Harrison albums, actually.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2015 at 22:13
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Syd Barrett when the rest of Pink Floyd decided it was just too much effort to pick him up for a gig.

Rick Wright from Pink Floyd when Roger Waters decided he was no longer contributing enough.

Michel Berckmans from Univers Zero when Daniel Denis decided to go in another direction (damn I miss that bassoon)

Adrian Belew from King Crimson when Robert sent him a text telling him he was out.

Ozzy from Black Sabbath?
 
This plus Peter Banks from Yes
 
This plus Steve Hackett from Genesis LOL 
I know, it was not such a dismissal anyway, but a ceremonious one Tony Banks might have tried.
 
 


Edited by Rick Robson - May 15 2015 at 22:21


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2015 at 03:05
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Syd Barrett when the rest of Pink Floyd decided it was just too much effort to pick him up for a gig.

Rick Wright from Pink Floyd when Roger Waters decided he was no longer contributing enough.

<span style="line-height: normal; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Michel Berckmans from Univers Zero when Daniel Denis decided to go in another direction (damn I miss that bassoon)</span>

Adrian Belew from King Crimson when Robert sent him a text telling him he was out.

Ozzy from Black Sabbath?
 

This plus Peter Banks from Yes

 
This plus Steve Hackett from Genesis LOL 
I know, it was not such a dismissal anyway, but a ceremonious one Tony Banks might have tried.
 
 



The reason why Banks, to this day, is not kindly disposed to Hackett is because Hackett left of his own volition. Banks took it rather badly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2015 at 03:26
Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

The day Jon Theodore left Volta was the 2nd worst day for that band.

The day Ikey left was the worst day for that band.
This.

Though possibly backwards. 
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