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Topic: The Big Three - who are they? Posted: May 23 2015 at 19:18 |
I recently posted a poll called The Big Three, asking which band was the greatest: Genesis, Pink Floyd or Yes. Many people argued that the poll was inaccurate and that these weren't the three best prog bands. So, if pushed to choose only the three best prog bands, which would you choose?
Just to get things started, I think that the three greatest prog bands of all time are (in order) 1. Genesis 2. Pink Floyd 3. Yes
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 19:36 |
Now if i recall correctly - a common issue that pops up in this debate is to what are we measuring the bands? Their "actual" popularity at the time? Their influence they've had? Or just which bands do we prefer?
You say which are the best three prog bands in your question, but only King Crimson would maybe pop into my Top 3 of all time. I would but VdGG with of them in the 70's - but i'd be mad if i was going to try to say VdGG is more popular than any of the ones you mentioned..
So to morph the question given to "What are your 3 favorite 70's Prog Bands?"
Genesis, King Crimson, VdGG
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 19:59 |
Green Shield Stamp wrote:
I recently posted a poll called The Big Three, asking which band was the greatest: Genesis, Pink Floyd or Yes. Many people argued that the poll was inaccurate and that these weren't the three best prog bands. So, if pushed to choose only the three best prog bands, which would you choose?
Just to get things started, I think that the three greatest prog bands of all time are (in order) 1. Genesis 2. Pink Floyd 3. Yes |
Are we basing this on personal preference? Album sales? Influence? Some other more subjective measure? If we were basing it on album sales during the period when the bands were actually progressive, it would go like this: 1) Pink Floyd 2) Yes 3) Jethro Tull ELP might also be in the conversation from 1970-77 and Rush from the late 70s to mid-80s, but neither King Crimson (who would lose most any album sales contest because they've only managed one gold album, ItCotKC, in the States or the U.K.) or Genesis (which didn't have a top ten album in the States until Duke, and by then most of their progginess was banished -- although they were more popular in the UK and their first top ten was SEbtP, but that accounts for far less albums sold). Otherwise, it boils down to some subjective opinion or personal preference. Therefore, personally, I would say: 1) Jethro Tull 2) Pink Floyd 3) Yes
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 20:03 |
no brainer man
Yes, ELP, King Crimson
the classics, the creators, and the bands associated WITH prog not just by prog fans.. but anyone who knows anything OF prog.
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 20:04 |
micky wrote:
no brainer man
Yes, ELP, King Crimson
the classics, the creators, and the bands associated WITH prog not just by prog fans.. but anyone who knows anything OF prog.
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Thank Gawd you didn't throw in any silly Italian bands, Mick.
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 20:08 |
only if some clowns had tried to throw Tull into the conversation
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 20:22 |
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 21:32 |
1. Yes 2. Pink Floyd 3. Rush
BUT, if it's just in general, then it's Yes, Genesis & King Crimson (for pure prog at its finest for sure)
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 21:45 |
I sometimes get looked at cross-eyed for this opinion, but I honestly believe that The Moody Blues need to be considered in this discussion. I think you could make a good case for Days of Future Past being the first full on progressive rock album....predating In the Court of the Crimson King by two full years....although Piper by PF beat it by just 2 or 3 months. It may have a lighter feel to it, but I feel the Moodies were extremely important to the early prog rock movement.
Still though, I don't think they'd quite crack my top 3....maybe in a tie...but I always like to give them an honorable mention because I feel like they get left out of the discussion too often.
I would go with:
1. King Crimson 2. Pink Floyd 3. Genesis/Yes/Moody Blues (tie)
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 21:47 |
Univers Zero Henry Cow King Crimson
Pretty straight forward really
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 22:06 |
I find it very difficult to get it down to three... specially if I try to think about the best, or most succesful, or whatever. I think your choices were mostly acurate... though some might argue that Pink Floyd wouldn't be prog enough, or that either King Crimson (for their importance to prog) and ELP (for their importance and popularity) should be included. Or else, Jethro Tull, for it's popularity. However, if I should want to make a BIG # list of prog bands, I would think about narrowing the list to british bands, since that's were prog's popularity began and where the most popular bands come from, and I would have to broaden the number to 6, since I just can't find a way to leave any of this out: Pink Floyd, King Crimson, ELP, Yes, Genesis, and Jethro Tull. If I really had to narrow it any further, I would go with 4, leaving the less proggy ones out (Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd).
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Posted: May 23 2015 at 23:27 |
...based upon the strength of the compositions, quality of instrumentals and vocals, and influence upon the genre.
There were many outstanding bands, but I think these guys influenced everything in prog, then and now.
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Posted: May 24 2015 at 07:05 |
The Big Three were ELP, Yes and Jethro Tull.
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Posted: May 24 2015 at 07:19 |
I would choose not to choose. With so many great artists out there, what the hell is the dammed point? If you can provide one definitive answer to this question I might offer an opinion, but who the hell would really care what I thought?
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 24 2015 at 07:22
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Posted: May 24 2015 at 07:51 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
I would choose not to choose. With so many great artists out there, what the hell is the dammed point? If you can provide one definitive answer to this question I might offer an opinion, but who the hell would really care what I thought?
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Posted: May 24 2015 at 08:36 |
There's too many issues where people's opinions differ for there to be a definitive Big Three, and this thread shows that already. Some think it's about sales, some think it's influence, some disagree over whether some of these bands are "progressive" enough or not.
Simply put, there is absolutely no definitive answer to this, and there never will be. /thread
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Posted: May 24 2015 at 08:49 |
cstack3 wrote:
...based upon the strength of the compositions, quality of instrumentals and vocals, and influence upon the genre.
There were many outstanding bands, but I think these guys influenced everything in prog, then and now.
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That's my big three as well, I would love to somehow get Floyd in there but only three right? ELP and Jethro Tull aren't even close but that's just my taste in music.
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Posted: May 24 2015 at 10:49 |
RoeDent wrote:
Some think it's about sales, some think it's influence, some disagree over whether some of these bands are "progressive" enough or not.
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Personally, i think about the popularity of English singing progressive rock bands in 70s, ie at the time when all the legends were current bands as well. So, as Floyds were regarded as a great psychedelic rock band in 70s, ie not prog, and as Genesis were an obscure band in the early 70s and went to pop with ATTWT, The Big Three of progressive rock regarding popularity in 70s that could be only ELP, Tull and Yes.
Oh and following the same criteria, Crimsons, who were disbanded in the middle of decade, with their slightly, lets say, "avant" prog for 70s - eg LTIA or "Red" era - werent in "the big three".
Edited by Komandant Shamal - May 24 2015 at 10:56
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