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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 10:50
No-one will ever agree on this so my Last FM listening over the last 6 years or so show:

1. Magma
2. Henry Cow
3. Genesis, with ELP not far behind...

Not many readers are likely to agree to that!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 10:56
I'll just say my personal favorite 3 70's prog bands.

1. Rush
2. Eloy
3. Gentle Giant
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 11:57
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

  • King Crimson
  • Yes
  • Genesis
...based upon the strength of the compositions, quality of instrumentals and vocals, and influence upon the genre. 

There were many outstanding bands, but I think these guys influenced everything in prog, then and now.

That's my big three as well, I would love to somehow get Floyd in there but only three right? ELP and Jethro Tull aren't even close but that's just my taste in music.

My thoughts exactly. King Crimson are perhaps the best "progressive" group when you take it literally, as they've constantly evolved but produced consistently good music in its own right. Yes have a signature sound which is the kind of style that instantly comes to mind when I think about prog rock, and Genesis are just Genesis Smile JT and ELP both had much fewer classic albums than the others, but I reckon it should be "The Big Four", with Pink Floyd included as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 11:59
Influence-wise (as in influence in progressive rock):

1) King Crimson
2) Gentle Giant
3) Yes

Progginess-wise:

1) King Crimson
2) Yes
3) ELP

Popularity-wise:

1) Pink Floyd
2) Rush
3) Genesis (as their popularity comes mostly from the pop period)

Uniqueness-wise

1) Magma
2) Frank Zappa/MoI
3) VdGG/Soft Machine (similar yet different)

It just goes on and on...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 12:57
Funny how the english language plays an important role here when it comes to choose 'the big three' - go asking the same question in some italian spoken prog forum, for example LOL
 
Le Orme is easily one of my BIG threes, without considering that I have so far too much of stunning RPI still to dig into Wink
 


Edited by Rick Robson - May 24 2015 at 12:58


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 13:03
OK, from the '70's and restricting my choices to one per a country who have at least one vocalist - Genesis, Kansas, PFM.   arrrrrrgggghhhh LOL


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 24 2015 at 13:04
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 13:36
The Mars Volta
Porcupine Tree
Battles

Yup, something like that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 13:42
Zappa, Magma, Can
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 15:15
1. Emerson
2. Lake
3. Palmer

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 15:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 17:31
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

  • King Crimson
  • Yes
  • Genesis
...based upon the strength of the compositions, quality of instrumentals and vocals, and influence upon the genre. 

There were many outstanding bands, but I think these guys influenced everything in prog, then and now.


Very wise words above, couldn't agree more. There are prog bands I love, Magma for example, but the Big Three and the reasons are told here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 19:37
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

no brainer man


Yes, ELP, King Crimson

the classics, the creators, and the bands associated WITH prog not just by prog fans.. but anyone who knows anything OF prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 20:52
King Crimson
Genesis
Yes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 21:49
Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

Originally posted by RoeDent RoeDent wrote:

Some think it's about sales, some think it's influence, some disagree over whether some of these bands are "progressive" enough or not.


 

Personally, i think about the popularity of English singing progressive rock bands in 70s, ie at the time when all the legends were current bands as well. So, as Floyds were regarded as a great psychedelic rock band in 70s, ie not prog, and as Genesis were an obscure band in the early 70s and went to pop with ATTWT, The Big Three of progressive rock regarding popularity in 70s that could be only ELP, Tull and Yes.

 

Oh and following the same criteria, Crimsons, who were disbanded in the middle of decade, with their slightly, lets say, "avant" prog for 70s - eg LTIA or "Red" era - werent in "the big three".


I think this is a very objective and workable point of view to choose the big 3
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 22:02
Originally posted by Xonty Xonty wrote:

Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

  • <span style="line-height: 1.4;">King Crimson</span>
  • <span style="line-height: 1.4;">Yes</span>
  • <span style="line-height: 1.4;">Genesis</span>
...based upon the strength of the compositions, quality of instrumentals and vocals, and influence upon the genre. 

There were many outstanding bands, but I think these guys influenced everything in prog, then and now.
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That's my big three as well, I would love to somehow get Floyd in there but only three right? ELP and Jethro Tull aren't even close but that's just my taste in music.


My thoughts exactly. King Crimson are perhaps the best "progressive" group when you take it literally, as they've constantly evolved but produced consistently good music in its own right. Yes have a signature sound which is the kind of style that instantly comes to mind when I think about prog rock, and Genesis are just Genesis Smile JT and ELP both had much fewer classic albums than the others, but I reckon it should be "The Big Four", with Pink Floyd included as well.


Actually, I feel King Crimson has kept a more recognizable sound throughout the years than Yes and Genesis... Genesis at least on the change from prog albums in the 70's to pop albums in the 80's sound like a totally different band (and still, Banks keyboards offer the link that would betray them if they had wanted to pass as a different band). Yes, well they have had many different line-ups and eras, and they do sound different from one to the other. There's just about no relationship between Owner of a Lonely Heart an 90125 (and the whole west line-up work, actually) to what they did in the 70's golden years. And then there's the Sherwood albums, and Drama, and the 2010's albums, which may have more to betray the band, but still have rather different sounds. As for King Crimson, they do have many songs within each album that sounds like a real evolution for the band... but then, they always had at least some songs with the Schizoid Man element. There's Pictures of a City, Cirkus, Sailor's Tale (entering the instrumental version which would become very common from this time forward), Easy Money, Lark's Toungues (both parts, and then the other parts that would appear on later albums), a great deal of Red, Discipline and Indiscipline, Vroom Vroom, Level Five. And there's surely many others I forgot, or don't know yet, or whatever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2015 at 22:06
Disclaimer: These are not necessarily my three favourite prog bands:
 
Yes
King Crimson
Genesis
 
ELP, Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd round out the top six. Again, these are not even my six favourite prog bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2015 at 02:37
Personal Favorites (of the classic era):
Genesis
Jade Warrior
Frank Zappa (and the MOI)

Successful (by Prog standards)
Jethro Tull
ELP
Frank Zappa

Most canonical exemplars:
Genesis
Yes
King Crimson

Most influential:
Genesis
Jethro Tull
Soft Machine

Most innovative:
King Crimson
Frank Zappa
Captain Beefheart
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2015 at 04:19
The question depends on when and how. 

Chronologically over a fifteen year time span from 1968:

Pink Floyd
Soft Machine
The Nice

Pink Floyd
Soft Machine
King Crimson

Pink Floyd
King Crimson
Jethro Tull

Pink Floyd
Yes 
ELP

Pink Floyd
Yes 
Genesis

King Crimson
Rush
Marillion


What?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2015 at 06:20
If we're going purely on faves, then..

Rush
Genesis
King Crimson
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2015 at 09:13
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

  • King Crimson
  • Yes
  • Genesis
...based upon the strength of the compositions, quality of instrumentals and vocals, and influence upon the genre. 

There were many outstanding bands, but I think these guys influenced everything in prog, then and now.

Exactly my thoughts. Another one also used the word 'canonical' for them. If I only had to choose three as typical examples for defining the genre I would choose these three.
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