Is Prog Getting Bigger? |
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SteveG
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Posted: May 27 2015 at 15:58 | ||||
I believe this is the only way to answer this question without resorting to speculation.
Edited by SteveG - May 27 2015 at 16:09 |
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: May 27 2015 at 22:35 | ||||
If we can't count Floyd or Tull as prog because allegedly they were not universally identified as such at the time, how is it justifiable to count Radiohead and Muse? Except prog websites hardly anybody else calls them prog and they are NOT canonical examples of it. But ELP and Yes are and their success easily eclipses that of DT, nevermind TFK.
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Svetonio
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 01:18 | ||||
But there's one other thing that should be noted, indeed slightly of the topic. All these Prog bands of the 70s Prog "big 4" (or the "big 5" or whatever, but in any case without Pink Floyd who was considered as a Psychedelic Rock band in 70s and it was nothing strange 'cause Prog wasn't a badge of honor as somebody already said) in the 70s were actually prog sub-genres per se. Edited by Svetonio - May 28 2015 at 01:27 |
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Dean
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 01:51 | ||||
Floyd were not considered to be a Psychedelic Rock band in the 70s, no one was considered to be Psychedelic in the 70s. Prog didn't become a dirty word until the 1980s. |
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Komandant Shamal
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 04:15 | ||||
Hey you Mister Dean what you think that we are? some imbeciles? i mind you that in fact we all know that Floyds are Prog now - we can see that revisionism [or hindsight if you like] re Floyds at so many prog sites, and that wiki article also wasnt written in the 70s
If you show to us any article from 70s where the Floyds were mentioned as Prog, I promise to you that I'll be the first one who will proclaim everything you wish - what about that the 60s freakbeat Floyds were invented Prog Rock before Prog Rock bands?
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NutterAlert
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 05:17 | ||||
^ Kommander Shamal and the lost planet svetonio....Do you guys have something strange in the water over there at the moment?
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timothy leary
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 10:02 | ||||
The signifying monkey^
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Smurph
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 11:48 | ||||
Prog getting bigger?
Well depends on how you define bigger. More fans? Sure More bands? Sure (and unlike other music genres, MOST of the prog fans that I know are also in prog bands, which means they can't spend money on other people's music) More quality albums? Definitely more each year imo since the early 2000's
More money? NO More album sales? NO (I know those go hand in hand) More label interest? Not unless they specialize in this type of music So basically... there are too many bands and the percentage of them making money off of music is shrinking. |
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SteveG
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 15:40 | ||||
Psychedelic Rock Born: 1966 Died: 1970
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emigre80
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 16:07 | ||||
^ it was a short life but a happy one.
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Rednight
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 16:07 | ||||
^Gotcha', natch'!
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Bigseal
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 19:12 | ||||
Prog is becoming more progressive
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Atavachron
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 20:22 | ||||
He didn't say Floyd were considered Prog in the 70s, he said they were not considered Psych. And since Dean was in England at that time and paying attention (and I was in San Francisco in the early 70s), I think I'll take it as an indication that assessment is correct. |
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Dean
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 21:06 | ||||
You said it, not me. btw, it is time you dropped this charade, no one was ever fooled by it. It got tiresome sometime ago, now it's just somewhat sad.
Pink Floyd were regarded as a Progressive band back in the 1970s by some people. I recognise (and have previously stated) that this term was slow to spread out of the home counties of England into the rest of the world, but as I also explained to you before, the Tyrannosaurus Rex remained the same creature no matter what it was called. Just as now, in the 1970s Pink Floyd were only thought of as a Psychedelic band for their first two albums. February 15, 1969, Disc and Music Echo, (article titled "How Pink Floyd defeated psychedelia") Talking about the fact that the Pink Floyd had come a long way since they were a hit group with See Emily Play on the charts...
You would be hard pressed to find any articles written in 1970 that contained genre tagging for any well known band, while I am often casually offhand in my disregard for music journalists I do accept that they were capable of granting their readership with a modicum of intelligence in recognising the genre of music that popular bands of the day where playing. They were not prone to glibly throwing around genre buzzwords as freely as you appear to be so rarely used them in their articles, when apparent genre names were used they were actually being used as adjectival descriptives rather than noun phrases (e.g., techno-flash ~ that was never a genre, nor was it ever intended to be a musical style name, it was merely used as a prosaic descriptive). Through much of the late 60s and very early 70s the word "progressive" was used in this way, for example: November 29, 1969 - Melody Maker advertisement for AFAN Festival of Progressive Music featuring Pink Floyd. December 14, 1969 - New Musical Express (by Nick Logan): Asked if he foresaw the progressive music boom, Wright explained, "I knew it would happen sometime" August 1st, 1970 - Disc and Music Echo (letter from reader Mark Ditton-Kelly on Pink Floyd's 60minute set on the John Peel radio programme): "I'd rather listen to The Archies or Pickettywitch, and that's a sad thing for a progressive music lover to say" June 10th 1972 - Melody Maker (by Simon Stable): What's your opinion of Radio One? Wright replied, "Well, there's plenty of bad pop on it and very little progressive." Now if you insist on being anally pedantic over musicological pigeon-holing then Pink Floyd embraced practically every subgenre of Progressive Rock that youse care to name during the late 60s and early 70s, itemising each one here for your education is too tedious for the little reward that it would give since clearly this is something you are close-minded about. |
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Komandant Shamal
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Posted: May 28 2015 at 23:54 | ||||
After moaning of "americanization of British music" and criticizing of Elton John, Rod Stewart and Mick Jagger due to their way of singing with "a strong American accent", Ian Anderson said:
"In the summer of 1967, The Beatles and Pink Floyd announced the British music, and those beliefs and feelings were created the bands like Yes, Genesis and Jethro Tull. It was announcement of British musical independence. That year, 1967, is marked as the adoption of universal freedom - sex, drugs and endless fun. Besides of fun, 1967 brought to us something more than three chords rock and roll heritage. Without these things launched by The Beatles, but mostly by Syd Barrett, who knows in which direction would all [British rock music] go."
Although Ian Anderson didnt said explicity that the Floyds were Prog Rock, now you cant say that i dont play fair and that i didnt fullfiled my promise as well. And, as more important thing, you can use now that Ian Anderson quote to continue, even better than before this post, to mislead the young readers of this forum to believe that Floyds were regarded as Prog Rock giants back in 70s, not just as a "poor" Psychedelic Rock act
Edited by Komandant Shamal - May 29 2015 at 01:29 |
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Dean
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Posted: May 29 2015 at 02:59 | ||||
Oh my, how shallow and duplicitous you appear to be. You must have felt rather proud of yourself after posting that. This apparent gift of mendacity coupled with your demonstrated ability to misread, misunderstand and misrepresent practically everything is a further reflection of how little you seem to know compared to how much you think you know. In the spirit of your post I thank you for your comment, which I have given the due consideration it deserved. |
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essexboyinwales
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Posted: May 29 2015 at 03:38 | ||||
You guys are a riot! I think I'd start watching Big Brother again if Dean, KS and Svetonio were in together.... |
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lazland
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Posted: May 29 2015 at 03:52 | ||||
Dean would have a job. He would be sharing the said house with one loony only, given that all of us know full well that KS and Svetonio are, in fact, literally, two cheeks of the same arse, given that that arse belongs to one person only. |
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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Stool Man
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Posted: May 29 2015 at 06:34 | ||||
Prog was getting bigger in the late 00s, but I think from 2010 onwards it's ceased growing and might even be starting to fade again. Revivals inspired by fortieth anniversaries of old classics can only go so far. And fiftieth anniversaries won't have the same impact or resonance ten years on from the last lap of nostalgiafesting.
First time around 1967-75, this time around about the same numbers of years, and those years have passed. We are in the equivalent of 1978 or 1979, and the new 80s are coming. |
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chopper
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Posted: May 29 2015 at 07:00 | ||||
Actually Jethro Tull were pretty much a blues band for the first one or two albums.
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