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    Posted: July 10 2015 at 09:13
 
 
 
 
 
I think Discipline  saved our beloved genre due to an injection of fresh blood stuff into the feebler body of Prog in early 80s.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 09:20
I never listened to that album when it first came out, actually did not own a copy till the late 90's..saving prog??To me this album could have been recorded by Talking Heads..so for me no.


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It didn't even save KC from making more accessible and less proggy music in Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair. 

Edited by Mellotron Storm - July 10 2015 at 09:40
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 09:44
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

To me this album could have been recorded by Talking Heads

Listen more closely, Catch.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PrognosticMind Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 09:51
This is one of the few KC records I could never get into, no matter how hard I tried. 

It's been a few years since I've spun it; maybe it's time to listen again!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Junges Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 10:02
What do you mean "saved prog"? Prog suffered in the 80s, but that doesn't mean it wasn't alive or there weren't any bands playing it in order to be "saved".

If KC hadn't put Discipline out, it wouldn't change anything in prog music. And I like that album.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 10:04
Not a favorite of mine but it did turn on a lot of people at the time it was released, including older prog heads, so it must be seen as some kind of prog milestone.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hercules Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 10:22
No.

Marillion and IQ did that.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 10:32
No. I just marked King Crimson's come back, though it was a different band and quite different music from the original 70s group.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KingCrInuYasha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 10:34
@Hercules: Not to mention Rush with their early 80s records.

Even if the Fripp/Belew/Levin/Bruford lineup of Crimson did help save prog, they weren't the only ones to do it. I think by the late 1970s, it was inevitable that the old sounds just weren't going to cut anymore and bands had to find new sounds to keep the artistic blood flowing.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ginodi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 11:22
I love KC, but damn...I hated Discipline.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nogbad_The_Bad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 11:39
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

No.

Marillion and IQ did that.


I'm a huge Crimson fan but on this I agree with Hercules, write it down it doesn't happen often
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HackettFan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 12:58
Good question. I never thought about it before, but possibly. Discipline is real progressive rock attempting to do different things, unlike Marillion and IQ who were just propagating a style. Discipline re-invigorated Prog with more of a guitar focus and, in the heyday of heavy metal, showed that Prog could still be rebellious music. Yes, others helped, but they weren't Marillion and IQ, they were Frank Zappa and Henry Kaiser, both of whom weren't really considered Prog at the time although they are now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Svetonio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:02
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

(...) Discipline is real progressive rock attempting to do different things, unlike Marillion and IQ who were just propagating a style. (...)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote miamiscot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:08
It was definitely an important release - as were those early Marillion and IQ records. Kind of kept Prog alive in the 80's.
 
And then the third wave came along in the 90's and Prog became really exciting again. All those Swedish bands contributed more to keeping the flame alive (Landberk, Anekdoten, Anglagard, Sinkadus, The Flower Kings) than KC did with Discipline. And Spock's Beard, echolyn, Dream Theater and Glass Hammer spearheaded the US revival.
 
All the above were critical in getting us where we are today.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JesusisLord Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:15
DISCIPLINE IS AWESOME !! Saw the tour and in some ways i can see what you are saying….. 
 Along with  PETER GABRIEL'S OUTPUT AT THE SAME TIME !!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:27
Of the  original trilogy with Belew it's my favorite though I have never been a big fan of Belew and prefer the Wetton and Lake years.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2015 at 22:09
Good question! At the time, it sure sounded fresh and innovative to these ears! And it remains my favorite KC album. 
I think among established art rock/progressive rock fans it represented something new, something that felt like progress within the community of serious composer-musicians. Fripp, Eno, Gabriel, Kate Bush--they were artists around 1980-81 who seemed to pushing boundaries, testing new waters, taking technology and the recording studio beyond the simple "push record" button. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2015 at 00:24
Well, it saved Bob Fripp from his band "A League of Gentlemen!" 

"Discipline" was one of a number of projects that seemed to combine the sensibilities of prog (extended guitar solos, synth guitars, elaborate song structure) with the energy of punk.  I think they did so very effectively, with Belew serving as a legitimate bridge between the genres. 

However, there were many other artists, including Peter Gabriel, who should be mentioned as well.  Gabriel had some huge radio and MTV hits, so I'd say he was more influential on "saving" prog than KC.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Svetonio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2015 at 01:17
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

It didn't even save KC from making more accessible and less proggy music in Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair. 
 
Dig it, collab..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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