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Been resuming listening to this band for the first time in years. Probably the first prog rock group I ever became a serious fan of. They had something down-to-earth about them that was otherwise lacking from the British progressive rock scene, perhaps because they're not really part of the movement being closer in "ideology" to Fairport Convention and the Incredible String Band.
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Am I the only one to love Under Wraps?

I always looked at it as the very last Tull record from the old era.
Ok not your typical JT record with all that damn drum machine but the sound is still very recognizable (and prog). The only low point is the opener imo.
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^I haven't listened to Under Wraps since the year (1982) when it was released. But I'll give it another shot. Tastes do change over time.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^I haven't listened to Under Wraps since the year (1982) when it was released. But I'll give it another shot. Tastes do change over time.

I don't even own a copy anymore....nor do I have Catfish or Rock Island.
I still play the early ones the most.....Stand Up, Benefit, Aqualung, Living..., Minstrel, TAAB, and Songs From The Wood.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^I haven't listened to Under Wraps since the year (1982) when it was released. But I'll give it another shot. Tastes do change over time.

I don't even own a copy anymore....nor do I have Catfish or Rock Island.
I still play the early ones the most.....Stand Up, Benefit, Aqualung, Living..., Minstrel, TAAB, and Songs From The Wood.
Same here. Like most bands I enjoyed (except bands like The Beatles, who knew when to quit, or The Doors and Hendrix who died before they got crappy), my interest only goes up to a certain point. And then stops. Just like that.
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Under Wraps
Ok, boys...I'm going in. If I'm not back in 40 minutes, send someone to collect my body.
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After having listened to the classics for the most time I started to enjoy the 'crap'. Really dig albums like UW and Catfish Rising. The latter is good for the blues injection but suffers the lenght and some filler (White Innocence I think is the only Tull song I hate).
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Under Wraps
Ok, boys...I'm going in. If I'm not back in 40 minutes, send someone to collect my body.


Ahahah    we'll see that it receives a proper burial.

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Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


Under Wraps
Ok, boys...I'm going in. If I'm not back in 40 minutes, send someone to collect my body.


Ahahah    we'll see that it receives a proper burial.



We could have syncronized our listenings it would be a strange way to do collective suicide.
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About Under Wraps, Martin Barre opinion is that its a great album with great songs, but they were recorded in the wrong way, with too much keyboards and without a live drummer.

His re-recording of "Paparazzi" in "Away with Words" was pretty good to me.
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Most of the drums could sound better on UW if it was mixed better. The snare is too tinny and the kick too bassy
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^I haven't listened to Under Wraps since the year (1982) when it was released. But I'll give it another shot. Tastes do change over time.

I don't even own a copy anymore....nor do I have Catfish or Rock Island.
I still play the early ones the most.....Stand Up, Benefit, Aqualung, Living..., Minstrel, TAAB, and Songs From The Wood.
Same here. Like most bands I enjoyed (except bands like The Beatles, who knew when to quit, or The Doors and Hendrix who died before they got crappy), my interest only goes up to a certain point. And then stops. Just like that.
Well, I take it that you're not vinyl collectors with over 4000 records. You don't collect that many by throwing out the ones you don't like.

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Under Wraps
The Verdict:

Wow! I couldn't get past the 9th song (out of 14). It's not a bad album because it's electronic music, it's a bad album because it's poor electronic music. Aside from the annoying digital drum sounds, the songs are devoid of catchy hooks and melodies. And Anderson's vocals are odd sounding and strange. 1984 was a dire year in music for all involved, and I remember this album only adding to the feeling of despair that I was feeling at that time. Back to the storage shelf! Forever!



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Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

About Under Wraps, Martin Barre opinion is that its a great album with great songs, but they were recorded in the wrong way, with too much keyboards and without a live drummer.

His re-recording of "Paparazzi" in "Away with Words" was pretty good to me.
I have no idea why Barre favors this album. He's almost as absent as Anderson's flute.
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Points: 1376 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2015 at 18:26
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

(...) 1984 was a dire year in music for all involved (...)


Not everyone Wink

You have over 4000 vynils? I have 4. Going to catch you, look out. LOL
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Points: 20497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2015 at 18:27
And what of Martin Lancelot Barre? He's still touring under the name Jethro Tull's Martin Barre in England and Europe. Was it right for Anderson to let him go so Ian could be seen as a legitimate solo artist? Wtf?

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Points: 1376 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2015 at 18:33
Oh yeah.

I follow every move of this from day one in 2011/12...

Its complicated, Martin is not mading the sound I would love to hear from him (from "Trick of Memory", "The Meeting" and especially "Stage Left"), but perhaps he need this time going blues rock to try something new in the future.

Now, about Anderson, it was exactly what you're saying: he needed to let Martin and Doane go so he can shine even most. I think EVEN MOST!? You NEED that? allright then, people have their ambitions, I guess.
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By the way, he announced the cover for his new album... promissing? Dont know, really...
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I'm glad he's still recording and working. I hope it's another good album.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


And what of Martin Lancelot Barre? He's still touring under the name Jethro Tull's Martin Barre in England and Europe. Was it right for Anderson to let him go so Ian could be seen as a legitimate solo artist? Wtf?

"None other than the Fu Manchu of the Marimba!"...I've always loved Martin and his versatility and was very disappointed when he and Ian parted ways.  He always reminded me of Gary Green a bit...able to play the craziest prog time signatures and orchestrations but could seriously rock out when it was solo time.  For me, he was just as integral a part of what made Tull so special as Ian by really providing that hard edge that contrasted with Ian's acoustic...I never really understood why Ian moved on without him.  If it was for Ian to show the world that he really did write most Tull music, I wish it would have been a temporary thing.  When I read about TaaB2 and that Martin wasn't part of the band I had no intention of even checking it out.  Curiosity eventually got the better of me and I'm glad it did, though it's funny that his replacement sounds a lot like Martin to my ears.  

From a guitarist standpoint, a thing that really impressed me about Martin in the mid 80's (and Alex Lifeson as well) was the transition they made from fixed bridge Gibson Les Paul style string-bending rockers to the whammy bar style that was so huge at the time.  Some guys tried and would just grab the vibrato bar and wiggled to sound hip and cool but Martin and Alex both really did their homework and made a whammy style of their own.  I find Martin's playing to be the real star of Crest of a Knave and about the only reason I spin that one now and then.

I think it's great that Martin has taken the Tull legacy repertoire and is running with it Clap
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