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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 10:57
I just wrapped up a review of Crest Of A Knave, my personal favorite of the eighties Tull output. Do the two lesser albums Rock Island and Catfish Raising also warrant fresh reviews?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 11:41
I'm getting close to an Aqualung review at this point.  I know...do we need another?  But I am on the prog folk team so I feel it's my duty to review the classics, love em or not!

btw - nice review Steve
I remember not thinking much of Crest of a Knave, other than Mountain Men


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 13:06
"where the Moutain Men are kings..."

Love Crest of a Knave. Especially catchy and folksy songs as Mountain Man and Dogs in the Midwinter.

Great review, Steve...

Ken! No 2 stars this time, OK? LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 14:53
Great review indeed.
But I can't stand Dogs in the Midwinter.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 15:35
Very good review Steve and your comparison of some of the songs to other artists  is excellent, but you need to edit a spelling mistake........it's Stormwatch not Strormcock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 17:43
Thanks Doc! OMG! I must not listen Roy Harper when doing Tull reviews! Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 17:47
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

"where the Moutain Men are kings..."

Love Crest of a Knave. Especially catchy and folksy songs as Mountain Man and Dogs in the Midwinter.

Great review, Steve...

Ken! No 2 stars this time, OK? LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 17:55
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

I'm getting close to an Aqualung review at this point.  I know...do we need another?  But I am on the prog folk team so I feel it's my duty to review the classics, love em or not!

btw - nice review Steve
I remember not thinking much of Crest of a Knave, other than Mountain Men
Thanks Ken! I just realized that many of these later Tull releases, good or bad, have little in the way of folk rock or prog folk, and for me, it's taken a long time to warm up to them. I try to appreciate them their own merits, so it's sort of like listening to some of them for the first time.
 
Also, any of your reviews are appreciated.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 18:46
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


I just wrapped up a review of Crest Of A Knave, my personal favorite of the eighties Tull output. Do the two lesser albums Rock Island and Catfish Raising also warrant fresh reviews?
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Give both of these a listen once or twice a year and love them, always a good and fun listen indeed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 18:52
I guess they are the "fun" Jethro Tull albums. Not pretentious, nothing off the hook. But both have good songs in it.

And great covers, I must say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2015 at 04:04
The best is Rock Island imo. The most complete and varied of the so called "hard rock trilogy".

The Whaler's Dues is terrific!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2015 at 09:55
It really is. My favourite along with "Kissing Willie".

I guess its time to review this album as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2015 at 13:01
I love Under Wraps. I prefer it to Aqualung. So shoot me. Big smile




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2015 at 13:38
Originally posted by progrockdeepcuts progrockdeepcuts wrote:

I love Under Wraps. I prefer it to Aqualung. So shoot me. Big smile

No shooting, I suggest actually you be exposed in a freakshow Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2015 at 14:18
You can add me to the freakshow, some great stuff on Under Wraps and a very good one overall.

Can't say I prefer it to Aqualung, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2015 at 15:02
Can we go to the part we discuss A Passion Play? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaassee???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2015 at 12:39
Well, I've always said that APP sounded like a prog rock funeral dirge to me, but it does rock for a bit after the Hair Who Lost His Specks debacle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2015 at 13:11
Tecnically, APP has something to do with a funeral...

I dont know, there are so many great parts on it. The begning, Memory Bank... I guess I would agree, that the final is more interesting, especially Overseer Overtune and Magus Perde - which still fascinates me!

"Hey son of kings!" - impossible not to sing along.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2015 at 15:39
Speaking of A Passion Play, I remember someone telling me that the part

"Man - son of man - buy the flame of ever-life
(yours to breathe and breath the pain of living): living BE!
Here am I! Roll the stone away
from the dark into ever-day."

was somehow about Charles Manson, Helter Skelter, and all that. Upon examining it, I could never see the connection. Come to think of it, I don't even have justification for including it here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2015 at 17:03
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Speaking of A Passion Play, I remember someone telling me that the part

"Man - son of man - buy the flame of ever-life
(yours to breathe and breath the pain of living): living BE!
Here am I! Roll the stone away
from the dark into ever-day."

was somehow about Charles Manson, Helter Skelter, and all that. Upon examining it, I could never see the connection. Come to think of it, I don't even have justification for including it here.
 
In 45 years of listening to Tull I have never heard anyone come to that conclusion. There's an intriguing site called The Ministry of Information that tries to break down just what the hell is going on in A Passion Play:
 
 
It is very scholarly and a worthwhile read even I don't agree with everything there. In fact, I have offered some counterproposals and research of my own. Here is a snippet of what I uncovered regarding the mention of the obscure name Magus Perdé :
 
How odd it is to find something in context with Jethro Tull, and A Passion Play in particular, while doing research for my second book, the events of which take place in the 14th century. And the reference material I was using came from the 14th century as well!
 
I was researching a poem by William Langland (b. 1332 - d. 1400) titled "The Vision Concerning Piers Plowman" (a famous 14th century work of allegorical satire), and the text I was using referenced an old and anonymous English morality play "Hickscorner" printed by Wynken de Worde (who died in 1534, and was partner of John Caxton, the first printer in England).

A word in the reference material immediately struck me. Here is the section of the "Hickscorner" play in question:

What, sirs, I tell you my name is Freewill,
I may choose whether I do good or ill;
But for all that I will do as me list.
My condition ye know not, perdé,
I can fight, chide, and be merry;
Full soon of my company ye would be weary
An ye knew all.
What, fill the cup and make good cheer,
I trow I have a noble here!


Why is this so goddamned important, you ask? Or are you saying I've gone mad?

Well, there has been a long debate regarding the meaning of "Magus Perdé " in the final part of A Passion Play. After researching the word further based on the usage in the play, I can say unequivocally that "perdé " in this instance means "by God".

When the character says "My condition ye know not, Perdé ", he is, in effect, using a mild expletive as emphasis. He is saying "My condition ye know not, by God!"

Perdé is cognate with Middle English spellings of the same word, such as "perdie" or "pardie": 1200- 50; late Middle English pardie, Middle English parde < Old French par De < Latin per Deum by God.

Now, many folks say the word "magus" means magician or wizard; however, the original meaning comes from Persia to define the Zoroastrian priest caste (hence in the bible the "Magi" are wise men, not wizards).

So, Magus Perdé most likely means "priest by/of God". Telling a priest of God to "take your hand from off the chain" may infer back to the anti-religious, anti-clerical rhetoric of Aqualung. Priests of the Anglican or Catholic persuasion do not accept reincarnation, which of course is what Ian is referring to in that section of A Passion Play.

Therefore, I wonder if Ian did not trip across this "morality play" (which grew out of the English tradition of 14th and 15th century "mystery plays" and "miracle plays") when doing a bit of research on his "Passion Play".

I know the idea of perdé was bantered about to mean "by God" on the Ministry of Information site, but they never seemed to come up with any definitive theory (as one will notice). But the preponderance of evidence, based on an old English "morality play" no less, with the word perdé used in the actual context that someone from that era would use, seems to indicate a much stronger basis for "by God" than previously assumed.

And the fact that reincarnation is not an acceptable tenet of the Church of England, gives credence that the line

Magus Perdé, take your hand from off the chain

is a demand from Ian that the Church loose the chains that bind religion to other concepts, particularly when one looks at the lyrics that follow:

The passengers upon the ferry crossing, waiting to be born,
renew the pledge of life's long song rise to the reveille horn.


-and-

Here am I! Roll the stone away
from the dark into ever-day.


It would seem that Ian is equating the resurrection of Jesus to the reincarnation of Ronnie Pilgrim.


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