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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2015 at 15:28
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Most Americans did not even know that Pink Floyd existed prior to the release of Dark Side of the Moon. But in the wake of DSotM, in an effort to play catch up, ignored albums like Atom Heart Mother, Piper..., Meddle and Relics were gobbled up, and soon after, quickly ignored again. Why didn't the American public ever warm up to early Pink Floyd?
Perhaps American audience was saturated of that garage psychedelia whose British counterpart was Freakbeat what PF's debut actually was.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2015 at 15:29
Hmm....I started college in the fall of '69 and the first Floyd things I heard was Atom Heart Mother and Ummagumma....the two guys in my dorm who turned me on to those then played Piper and Saucer for me.
But I always liked Meddle better than those early ones.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2015 at 15:32
^Yes, there was always the 'underground' crowd that listened to early Floyd, like my brother, but they were not of the mainstream public taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2015 at 15:34
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Most Americans did not even know that Pink Floyd existed prior to the release of Dark Side of the Moon. But in the wake of DSotM, in an effort to play catch up, ignored albums like Atom Heart Mother, Piper..., Meddle and Relics were gobbled up, and soon after, quickly ignored again. Why didn't the American public ever warm up to early Pink Floyd?
Perhaps American audience was saturated of that garage psychedelia whose British counterpart was Freakbeat what PF's debut actually was.
If the American public was sick of anything it was Mellow Yellow Donovan and Walrus era Beatles, not garage psych, which was a nitch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2015 at 19:39
"freakbeat" is a neologism invented in the 1980s to describe a style of music that didn't (and doesn't) actually exist ... no one called it that back in the sixties, (or the seventies or the nineties or the naughties) nor should they now (in the nowties). At best it is a revisionist descriptive applied retrospectively.

Piper is not even remotely "garage psych" nor is it related to "R&B" nor "beat music", it is psychedelic -rock, -pop and -folk with touches of acid rock, space rock, jazz, musique concrète and avant garde. 

"nitch" is the alternative pronunciation not the alternative spelling. Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2015 at 20:13
I remember having this early Floyd conversation with my cousin back around '75 when I was just getting into prog.  He was about 10 years older than me and was moving in temporarily and gave me full access to his record collection.  We both distinctly saw Floyd's catalog split between DSoTM and after vs pre-DSoTM.  I was saying (in the infinite wisdom of a teenager prog snob who clearly knew everything but actually knew nothing) that I was going to stick with DSoTM forward and not bother with that early weird stuff.  Thankfully, my opinion changed a few months later when a friend was telling me about this crazy song called "Bike" and that I just had to hear it.  I bought Relics and loved it then picked up Piper at the Gates and it was like discovering the psychotic half brother of Sgt Peppers.  

These days, I usually reach for early rather than '73+ Floyd Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 01:18
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Most Americans did not even know that Pink Floyd existed prior to the release of Dark Side of the Moon. But in the wake of DSotM, in an effort to play catch up, ignored albums like Atom Heart Mother, Piper..., Meddle and Relics were gobbled up, and soon after, quickly ignored again. Why didn't the American public ever warm up to early Pink Floyd?
Perhaps American audience was saturated of that garage psychedelia whose British counterpart was Freakbeat what PF's debut actually was.
If the American public was sick of anything it was Mellow Yellow Donovan and Walrus era Beatles, not garage psych, which was a nitch.
Then the reason could be that freakbeat Pink Floyd simply had no chance in competition with the acts as Jimi Hendrix Experience and Cream.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 02:20
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Most Americans did not even know that Pink Floyd existed prior to the release of Dark Side of the Moon. But in the wake of DSotM, in an effort to play catch up, ignored albums like Atom Heart Mother, Piper..., Meddle and Relics were gobbled up, and soon after, quickly ignored again. Why didn't the American public ever warm up to early Pink Floyd?
Perhaps American audience was saturated of that garage psychedelia whose British counterpart was Freakbeat what PF's debut actually was.
If the American public was sick of anything it was Mellow Yellow Donovan and Walrus era Beatles, not garage psych, which was a nitch.
Then the reason could be that freakbeat Pink Floyd simply had no chance in competition with the acts as Jimi Hendrix Experience and Cream.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 08:41
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


"nitch" is the alternative pronunciation not the alternative spelling. Tongue

I thought nitch was a slang spelling that became excepted, my bad, so niche it is.
Btw, how else does one pronounce niche? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 08:51
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Most Americans did not even know that Pink Floyd existed prior to the release of Dark Side of the Moon. But in the wake of DSotM, in an effort to play catch up, ignored albums like Atom Heart Mother, Piper..., Meddle and Relics were gobbled up, and soon after, quickly ignored again. Why didn't the American public ever warm up to early Pink Floyd?
Perhaps American audience was saturated of that garage psychedelia whose British counterpart was Freakbeat what PF's debut actually was.
If the American public was sick of anything it was Mellow Yellow Donovan and Walrus era Beatles, not garage psych, which was a nitch.
Then the reason could be that freakbeat Pink Floyd simply had no chance in competition with the acts as Jimi Hendrix Experience and Cream.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 08:53
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


"nitch" is the alternative pronunciation not the alternative spelling. Tongue

I thought nitch was a slang spelling that became excepted, my bad, so niche it is.
Btw, how else does one pronounce niche? Tongue
The same as pastiche and quiche of course Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 08:57
^Ah, I see, said the blind man. Thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 09:04
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

I remember having this early Floyd conversation with my cousin back around '75 when I was just getting into prog...  

These days, I usually reach for early rather than '73+ Floyd Wink
Right on! As us old hippies use to say. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 10:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 10:09
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 10:14
Right on was more about black power than hippies. Far out and groovy were the hippie catchwords
 IMHO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 10:22
It depended on what part of the US you were in at the time. I hitchhiked from east to west and back in 1968. Basically, all of these catch phrases were hippie-ism that were later 'confiscated' by different groups. The idea that the Panthers invented 'right on' is humorous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 10:32
Sure the black culture had to borrow from the hippies, except in 1925 right on was in their culture. Were you a hippie back then too Steve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 10:33
Yes, hippies are timeless Tim.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2015 at 10:42
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