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Poll Question: Which is better?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 04:04
Definitely Starless. Such a perfect track. 
Take me down, to the underground
Won't you take me down, to the underground
Why oh why, there is no light
And if I can't sleep, can you hold my life

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 09:36
Starless for me......though Fracture has power and menace I have always had a bit of trouble getting into their more 'atonal'...rough edged.... instrumental pieces.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 09:44
Starless, one of the greatest tracks ever composed (KC or not)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 11:39
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I can't vote, but Fracture by quite a vast margin......and no it has nothing to do with it being more complex. If that was my main thang, I'd probably dig more of ELP's output.
Nah it's to do with the suspense this song achieves - the way it slowly and eerily builds up this huge sonic structure and then comes crashing down in a beautiful cathartic swoop, where Bruford finally hits those toms of his. Sheer brilliance.

Yeah, you just described its complexity alright.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 12:35
Heh...will the one who voted 'better song during that era'..please tell us which one that might be...?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2015 at 12:52
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Don't like either of them at all.

I can find two reasons why you posted this message:

Reason 1. You want to convert likers into not liking them.
Reason 2. You want someone to convert you.

I'm curious to know how you'd convert any of us, or how any of us would convert you, and there's no irony, nor any sarcasm. I'm just curious.

Starless feels to me like the landing/closing track, of the 72-74 trilogy, overall deflating compared to Providence. I find it more coherently constructed than Fracture. 

But I prefer Fracture, great track at least until the end of "moto perpetuo" (my fav Fripp accomplishment ever, enchanting illusion of two guitar playing very neatly while it's only one, alternating dreamy arpeggios to groovy sequences, all that in a crescendo, great tension is built, and very, er, ...elegantly ?). 

After that central part (I guess Fripp owes much of his reputation to that one), I find the mere getting back to the first fortissimo theme a bit cheap (we could consider that keeping the same fingerings in arpeggio chord sequences in the central part would also be a cheap choice, but at least it doesn't feel so to my ears..). Maybe that second fortissimo should just have been decorated with agile guitar lines... Same with the following  > end. Same problem, but bigger, with LTIA I, with that chorded soup after the super I'm-dangerous-and-you-can't-catch-me solo.




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