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Toaster Mantis 
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 Posted: August 30 2015 at 02:14 |
 SteveG wrote:
^To me, punk is more culturally important. I know that it was culturally derived somehow, so that maybe why it's hard to get a handle on it's development. As I said once before, to figure out certain genres, a sociologist may be of better help, assuming one has actually researched the punk phenomenon. |
Probably because punk culture is often more concerned with politics than music...
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Disparate Times
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 02:43 |
I grew up listening to punk and I must say its a lot cooler than what I listen to now, but that's OK because at this point of my life I no longer am looking to be/feel cool, it's more of an inevitability now 
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 08:13 |
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Because prog rockers weren't going to wear safety pins through their cheeks...
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:53 |
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^ No but headbangers were more than willing to. Or a toothbrush through an earlobe. Interesting interface between early 80s NWoBHM people and Punk holdovers.
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Slartibartfast
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Yes but - safety pins??? At least people these days who want to fudge up their bodies with piercing are getting more extreme. heheheheh
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 30 2015 at 16:43 |
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Safety pins, toothbrushes, flea collars, tampons, dental floss, candy, cheap plastic jewelry. Anything comfortably ratty and common. It was punk, man. Regular piercings were much too boring (and expensive).
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 04:02 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ No but headbangers were more than willing to. Or a toothbrush through an earlobe. Interesting interface between early 80s NWoBHM people and Punk holdovers.
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I wager Motörhead were the common point of cultural reference among the two. You can hear their obvious influence in both British punk groups of that generation, like Discharge and GBH on one hand , and NWoBHM groups like Tank and Venom on the other.
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rocknrollcola
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 04:20 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
SteveG wrote:
^To me, punk is more culturally important. I know that it was culturally derived somehow, so that maybe why it's hard to get a handle on it's development. As I said once before, to figure out certain genres, a sociologist may be of better help, assuming one has actually researched the punk phenomenon. |
Probably because punk culture is often more concerned with politics than music...
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Makes me wonder why so many punk rock bands have gotten in the hall of fame while prog rock bands such as Yes, King Crimson, Emerson Lake and Palmer, The Moody Blues, etc have been ignored.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:34 |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:43 |
I don't think of punks as asocial at all. Maybe the whole "look" disassociates you from certain demographics, but most punks I know (old and new) are very social and often live in small communities together. They talk to just about anyone who's willing to have a conversation with them.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:47 |
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^ I was only referring to the Ramones' songs like Rockaway Beach. And you're correct. The lyrics are not asocial but just lack any social comment or commentary, which is very different form being asocial. Mea culpa.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:56 |
I wasn't directing my post at you Steve but more extrapolating on something that you touched upon. Sorry if that didn't translate 
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SteveG
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:00 |
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Yes, I agree. The view that all punks are thugs and boogeymen is a gross stereotype.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:02 |
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More like hippies with sharp elbows.
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SteveG
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Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:03 |
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 02:08 |
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It is most definitely an apt description of crusties.
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 02:46 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ No but headbangers were more than willing to. Or a toothbrush through an earlobe. Interesting interface between early 80s NWoBHM people and Punk holdovers |
I wager Motörhead were the common point of cultural reference among the two. You can hear their obvious influence in both British punk groups of that generation, like Discharge and GBH on one hand, and NWoBHM groups like Tank and Venom on the other. |
Definitely; a connection that was quite evident then. There was even a handful of Motorhead imitators as I recall.
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