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    Posted: August 29 2015 at 07:56
Next up... a battle of two greats! In previous rounds we did song samples, great PA's reviews, with this round I wanted to do something a different. So I went outside PA's..  what do people outside of this site say about these albums.

First up..

Balletto di Bronzo - YS

The Music of Terror: Il Balletto di Bronzo's "YS"

At one point, I wanted this site to also cover music.  In fact, you can find a few reviews waaaaay back when of some fantastic albums.  Unfortunately, it became more of a chore to add music as we were getting loaded up with film after film. That isn’t a complaint by any stretch of the imagination, it’s just a fact.  So, music had to make way for other geek things.  Plus, we aren’t the type of people who want to cover the generic horror “music”-psychobilly, Misfits rip-off bands, gore metal, etc.  We have a varied taste at The Blood Sprayer and it seemed best suited to just focus on film.  Still, their are artists that will fit all too perfectly into a theme making it impossible to not cover.  Italian Week posed the obvious of covering Goblin.  sh*t, look at all the soundtracks they did for Argento!!  It’s irresponsible to not cover them.  But, for me there is one Italian band, and one record in particular, that sounds like nightmares put to tape.  Blood Sprayer readers, meet Il Balletto di Bronzo’s “Ys”.

Admittedly, Il Balletto di Bronzo has nothing to do with horror. Ys is not a score or soundtrack to any of our favorite Italian filth.  The album is deserving of your attention because it sounds like what those movies are trying to do to you on the visual end.  It’s a frightening up & down, back & forth of beautifully laid out movements.  The melodies that drive the album play out like a narrative.  Essentially, it moves in the same manner that a horror movie does.  There is the the calm, eerie build that spikes with each emotional beat.  As the record progresses, it reaches frighteningly cacophonous moments that would’ve perfectly heightened some of those insane Fulci moments.  As the album draws to it’s close, you aren’t left with a feeling of relief.  You’re left with the lingering oddness that the album drug you through. 

A friend and fellow musician told me a story about a drive home from a show and falling asleep in their band’s van.  One of his bandmates was driving and listening to Ys.  He said that when he woke up, and heard the music that was playing, it scared the sh*t out of him.  This is an example of what sort of emotion this record envokes.  On the surface, you can view it as another weird prog rock record from the 70’s.  But any fans of the band will tell you otherwise.  On the short list of “terrifying” albums, this one ranks up their with the best of them. 

Il Balletto di Bronzo didn’t have one of those long-ass, Rolling Stones careers. The band was short lived and barring a couple ill-advised reunions, have kind of vanished from the public eye.  They’ve been sited as influences by a few modern bands like Mammoth Volume and Nurse With Wound and Ys has had a several reissues in countries like Japan.  Still, the band’s work remains relatively unknown by most.  In fact, the 2 people I know that enjoy this band are 2 people who’s musical taste and knowledge rivals most folks.  But, I can assure you if you are a fan of Italian horror and understand how important the music is to those great films, you’d hear the same thing that I do when listening to this album.  So, here’s my recommendation to you:  Grab your copy of Fulci’s The Beyond, then snag a copy of this record (go ahead and download it. I’m not a saint-I’m not going to tell you what’s right or wrong.).  Turn down the lights, start the movie and then fire up this album.  You will see where fear and music meet and you’ll wonder the same that I do:  Why the hell didn’t anyone use these guys for soundtrack work?!


and against YS we have...


Frank Zappa - Hot Rats

For most jazz musicians, they wanted to push the door down and go beyond the lovely ballads of Bebop and Swing and go into what we call now "Jazz Fusion", but for Frank Zappa, he decided it was time to go and push the envelope and give the guitar gods like Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, and Jeff Beck a run for their own money and bow their heads of the Grand Wazoo. After he broke up the original Mothers of Invention with Uncle Meat in 1969, he wanted to go beyond the doo-wop and garage-punk rock sound to more arrangement and compositions for the composer.
One of the albums that would make a leap through after his own take of a tribute to Varese, Stravinsky, and the guitarish Spaghetti Western sounds of Lumpy Gravy, would be Hot Rats. This album shows Zappa moving away from the classical music taste to more of the mad scientist conductor than doing R&B soul and chipmunk vocals in a high-speed take. So he got away from the Hungry Freaks Daddy Freak Out! era and came the jam sessions which featured Zappa, Shuggie Otis, Ian Underwood to come something that was unbelivable and a mind-boggling fantasy that you'll never hear on any Frank Zappa record in the Past, Present, and Future. And in Frank Zappa's words about the genre of Jazz, "Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny." Well it does smell funny, in a good way ladies and gentleman. Not to mention the cover of "Miss Christine" Frka coming out of the grave looking for some bodies to eat in a sexual way who was part of the groupie band the GTOs which featured Pamela Des Barres, Sandra Leano, and Linda Sue Parker.
Peaches En Regalia, a classical virtuoso gypsy jazz rock introduction to the album, is dazzling piece of work featuring Zappa doing a Django Reinhardt style on the guitar while Ian Underwood does some Coltrane solos on his Sax and then it becomes a wah-wah bizarre journey on the acoustic guitar as if Zappa was writing a musical flourish as it goes to a dramatic bridge and then, BAM! it goes back to the beginning and ends like a romantic movie gone bizarre in a good way while the Howlin' Wolf prostitute song, Willie the Pimp continues as a evil pimp looking at 15 year old girls to get some pussy at Lido Hotel. Starting off with Captain Beefheart's raunchy vocals as violinist, Don Harris, does some heavy duty eerie violin solos and then plucking the strings to give it an evil and crime scenery of the slums of illegal girls getting paid to make sweet love. And then the last 7-minutes of the composition becomes a Psychedelic guitar solo stand off as Zappa takes the guitar into higher places.
Then it becomes almost like a prequel in the album with Son of Mr. Green Genes which is part of the Mr. Green Genes from the Uncle Meat album released in April of the same year. It starts off the same notes from the song as it goes into massive passages throughout the number with a horn section, flourshing keyboards, and then again Zappa takes over on the guitar doing some amazing fretwork while the bass either Shuggie Otis or Max Bennett is doing some glorified bass lines to keep the tempo flowing while Ian Underwood comes in doing a heavy solo on the keyboards as Zappa and Underwood take it on like dueling brothers as to see who will win between Guitar and Keyboards. It then becomes a Miles Davis fusion/hard rock style for the last few minutes and then the intro for the beginning comes in as it ends like a climatic climax of the organ giving the dynamic finale as Zappa shreds and Ian does a small homage to beethoven.
If you are heavily into Bebop Jazz meets Herbie Hancock's Headhunters, this is it! The Thelonious Monk homage tribute on Little Umbrellas becomes a beautiful walk in the park theme for a few minutes and then it becomes something out of the Uncle Meat Sessions on The Dog Breath Variations as Ian does some heavy Organ work while the drums do a 4/4 time signature as the stand-up bass is almost a cross between Paul Chambers and Jimmy Garrison walking bass line as the piece moves like a diamond that hasn't been found for a long time while the flute comes in to lay in some melodic ballad and then it comes back in like an eerie soundtrack for a picture show in the ballet orchestra.
Meanwhile, the 16-minute instrumental jam piece, The Gumbo Variations, becomes a free-for-all grand old time for anyone who has a love of epic suites roll into one. The sax lays down the groove as it does some heavy bluesy jazz that almost sounded like metal gears grinding like a chainsaw while the Bass goes with it to lay down some funky riffs as Zappa shreds like a motherf**ker and then the Sax starts to go into a VDGG seizure mode ala David Jackson style and then it goes back into the King Crimson mode again as Ian takes over coming up with some Avant-Garde feeling on the Sax while the Bass and drums lay down on the groove and then Zappa comes in to follow the Sax as he's the Pied Piper and Ian is Dr. Frankenstein on the woodwind and then the drums does a Bonham moment while Jean-Luc Ponty comes in doing shreiking violin solo. Lowell George does some blistering guitar work before Little Feat and then its Zappa's turn to take it over like a drill sergeant as he makes the guitar sound like a synthesized god and then the drum solo is almost a cross of Zeppelin and Sabbath ala fusion style while Shuggie Otis does funkadelic style's on the Bass and then the Organ, Violin, and Zappa come in to bring the number down to a T.
The eerie finale, It Must Be A Camel, sounds pre-Magma meets Henry Cow in the early days as if they had put something bizarre in their tea. This is one of the strangest piece as it shows Zappa composing the piece as if Edgard Varese is doing a jazz number in a bizarre mode as Zappa does some licky guitar frets as the piano and the bass seemed very Mars Voltaish while the Saxes come in to give a Wes Montgomery ending to fill your music with bizarre twists.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 08:25
Will go for YS here. As great as Hot Rats is I prefer other Zappa albums and YS is one of the best prog albums ever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 08:29
Gonna have to put my thinking cap on for this one, and perhaps give both another listen. The toughest decision for me in this round.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 09:50
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Gonna have to put my thinking cap on for this one, and perhaps give both another listen. The toughest decision for me in this round.


I thought this might be one of the tightest...  normally big names trounce 'foreign' albums..

what keeps this close is YS smokes Hot Rats musically..  so those who vote with their ears might offset the englishphiles..LOL  It isn't just a great prog album.. as Hot Rats is..  it is considered by some to be one of the greatest prog albums ever made. A claim you'd be hard pressed to ever found said about Hot Rats.

YS for me... 3rd easiest vote of the day. Only because Hot Rats smokes Pawn Hearts and Crime of the Tournament.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 10:12
Going to have to give both a listen
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 11:29
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 15:21
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 15:42
Balletto di Bronzo without hesitation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 17:01
I find Ys to be the slightly better album, but both are great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 17:37
2 classics but Ys for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 18:43
I listend YS just few days ago. What an album it is. But Hot Rats s still so unique piece of music, still so fresh. Maybe Zappa's best studio album ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 18:44
Tough one. Will have to give them both a listen to refresh my memory. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 19:29
Ys just because.
Hot Rats is killer though. Little Umbrellas and Must be a Camel are both great examples of why I love this man. So unbelievably naive and childish music that somehow manages to take on enormous beauty. Weird music in every way, but it works.
I guess one could say the same about Ys, just change the naive and childish to erratic and furiously pumping.
Ys is the album zookeepers play, when tigers are in heat.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 19:37
Ys by a whole star for me. Love Hot Rats lots, love Ys more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2015 at 20:01
Hot Rats - Ground breaking, and I can listen Zappa's guitar all day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2015 at 01:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2015 at 06:09
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2015 at 09:01
First fight that can knock out Frank Zappa.

Going with YS.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2015 at 10:51
YS. Easier than I thought.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:03
Alright, YS it is.
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