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go UZ!!!!



Screw SWilson.. he sucks.. Hackett doesn't..

this would be the upset of the tournament... of PA's history?






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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


Screw SWilson.. he sucks.. Hackett doesn't..

When I was a child, I used to behave less childish, actually.
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same here...LOL 
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Points: 20468 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:26
Might have voted for UZ over any other Hackett LP but Voyage has Shadow on it and that is one ass kicking prog song....so Voyage it is.
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Go UZI!!!
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Points: 620 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2015 at 18:33
18 to 18

now 19 to 18 with my vote.

UZ all the way. :)
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Points: 7946 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2015 at 19:37
Love Univers Zero, and I think Spectral Mornings would be stronger competitor to my mind, but I give the edge to Voyage of the Acolyte. I tied it up 19-19. Someone else will have to do the rest.
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i voted for "Voyage of the Acolyte" due to my love for that lp, but this poll is a big nonsense! Univers Zero with their album from 1981 - "classic prog"?     Wacko
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Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

Univers Zero with their album from 1981 - "classic prog"?     Wacko
Its a 34 year old release coming from a pioneering band in the first generation of Rock In Opposition/Chamber Prog. Would you rather have placed it in a poll with Opeth or Radiohead?
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Points: 954 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 02:01
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

Univers Zero with their album from 1981 - "classic prog"?     Wacko
Its a 34 year old release coming from a pioneering band in the first generation of Rock In Opposition/Chamber Prog. Would you rather have placed it in a poll with Opeth or Radiohead?
i already discussed about the matter here but nevermind because these polls are for fun only.
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Univers Zero!!!!
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Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

Univers Zero with their album from 1981 - "classic prog"?     Wacko
Its a 34 year old release coming from a pioneering band in the first generation of Rock In Opposition/Chamber Prog. Would you rather have placed it in a poll with Opeth or Radiohead?
i already discussed about the matter here but nevermind because these polls are for fun only.
Your hung up on completely unimportant things. Most bands don't belong to either this or that specific genre or era. There no clear beginning or end to anything whether we're talking about periods or genres. Most people understand that. Modern can mean anything from 1910 to this autumns fashion depending on context.  

 
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Hackett definitely. Such a strong musical statement on his debut.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Komandant Shamal Komandant Shamal wrote:

Univers Zero with their album from 1981 - "classic prog"?     Wacko
Its a 34 year old release coming from a pioneering band in the first generation of Rock In Opposition/Chamber Prog. Would you rather have placed it in a poll with Opeth or Radiohead?
i already discussed about the matter here but nevermind because these polls are for fun only.
Your hung up on completely unimportant things. Most bands don't belong to either this or that specific genre or era. There no clear beginning or end to anything whether we're talking about periods or genres. Most people understand that. Modern can mean anything from 1910 to this autumns fashion depending on context.  

 
if you click at the link that i gived to you in my previous post, you'll see that i asked basically the same question which you asked me in your first post adressed to me.
Micky said that for him e.g. Neo Prog is "modern prog".
As you know, Neo Prog is a style, subgenre, a derivate of Symphonic Prog.
so, is that 80s derivate of Symphonic Prog really deserved to be classified as "modern", or "classic prog" maybe?
 
Micky's periodization of prog is WRONG.
 
But as Micky insist on "modern prog" that was started in pre-digital era then that dividing point could be ONLY Rock in Oposition movement  in late 70s due to the fact that for the first time in the history of our beloved genre one group of the prog bands formed a movement  with a slogan - "the music the record companies dont want you to hear".
Those bands were reconstitute RIO as a collective and that was ONLY thing that was something really new, even revolutionary that happened to prog as a genre in late 70s and therefore only RIO as a subgenre of prog from that era could be called "modern" - i repeat, if  Micky insist that "modern prog" must be placed in pre-digital era, not in second half of 1990s, or 2000s, or even 2010s. 
it's way more logical for RIO movement - created by avant  bands what is very important moment - that to be called "dividing point" between "classic prog" and "modern prog", than Symphonic Prog's derivate called Neo Prog, Post Rock what is not prog for many fans especially outside of this forum, 80s Art Rock efforts as eg ambiental "Spirit of Eden", or Progressive Metal with its artistic origins in 70s melodic Hard Rock, 70s Symphonic Prog a la Yes and 70s Jazz Fusion.
 
p.s. 1910 you say? what about 1888 and Strauss' "Don Juan"?
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What you seem to forget is that is a fun poll and the idea was to find a good point to split the bands and have fun interesting polls. It's not an intellectual exercise. Who cares if it's wrong, we've got a good mix of bands in both groups of polls. We were never going to meet everyone's definition, hell if we went with dr prog's definition there wouldn't be a modern prog poll at all as it all ended in 1978.
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Points: 1399 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 08:54
Although I love both albums, UZ's album was released when prog had become deeply, I mean deeply, unfashionable (I know, I lived through it).  In fact, Hackett released Cured  the same year (81) and was going the way of the prog establishment (or at least, those still active during that period).  Given the context, my vote went to UZ as it bucked the overall trend towards simplification, or worse, 'pop acceptance'.
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Points: 20468 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:39
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

What you seem to forget is that is a fun poll and the idea was to find a good point to split the bands and have fun interesting polls. It's not an intellectual exercise. Who cares if it's wrong, we've got a good mix of bands in both groups of polls. We were never going to meet everyone's definition, hell if we went with dr prog's definition there wouldn't be a modern prog poll at all as it all ended in 1978.
Yep....I think Micky is just having  some fun with these absurd pairings......I mean Hot Rats against Birds of Fire and Octopus against Ys are better pairings than the ones he did choose but not as controversial...........btw I thought all prog ended in 1979 according to Dr Prog? Wink
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Points: 20196 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:49
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

What you seem to forget is that is a fun poll and the idea was to find a good point to split the bands and have fun interesting polls. It's not an intellectual exercise. Who cares if it's wrong, we've got a good mix of bands in both groups of polls. We were never going to meet everyone's definition, hell if we went with dr prog's definition there wouldn't be a modern prog poll at all as it all ended in 1978.
Yep....I think Micky is just having  some fun with these absurd pairings......I mean Hot Rats against Birds of Fire and Octopus against Ys are better pairings than the ones he did choose but not as controversial...........btw I thought all prog ended in 1979 according to Dr Prog? Wink

The draw was random in the first round in the group stage (4 bands per group, 2 advance), after that it was a bracket format so survive and advance so there was no 'selecting' pairings, it was whoever they came up against when the bracket was originally drawn at random.
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Points: 504 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 17:55
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

What you seem to forget is that is a fun poll and the idea was to find a good point to split the bands and have fun interesting polls. It's not an intellectual exercise. Who cares if it's wrong, we've got a good mix of bands in both groups of polls. We were never going to meet everyone's definition, hell if we went with dr prog's definition there wouldn't be a modern prog poll at all as it all ended in 1978.
Yep....I think Micky is just having  some fun with these absurd pairings......I mean Hot Rats against Birds of Fire and Octopus against Ys are better pairings than the ones he did choose but not as controversial...........btw I thought all prog ended in 1979 according to Dr Prog? Wink

The draw was random in the first round in the group stage (4 bands per group, 2 advance), after that it was a bracket format so survive and advance so there was no 'selecting' pairings, it was whoever they came up against when the bracket was originally drawn at random.


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