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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 08:56
Thomas Paine or Thomas Jefferson.
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"Never trust anyone who wants to change the world."
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 09:40
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Not to go off topic, JJLehto, but where does the quote "It's fine, luckily we're all English so no one will ask any questions. Thank you centuries of emotional repression" come from? It's familiar but I can't place it. 
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Other: Siddhartha
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 10:43
It seems that Jesus in his own time, would have it all over these guys.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 10:53
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Not to go off topic, JJLehto, but where does the quote "It's fine, luckily we're all English so no one will ask any questions. Thank you centuries of emotional repression" come from? It's familiar but I can't place it. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 10:55
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

It seems that Jesus in his own time, would have it all over these guys.


Agree. But, since we got that far... why not Spartacus?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 11:00
^^^That was my first thought.
Then Buddha and Muhammed and well Siddhartha is one of my favourite books. Herman Hesse in general is da bee's knees - a true psychic kungfu master of the written word.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 11:02
Feck! I was talking to Steve....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 18:22
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Not to go off topic, JJLehto, but where does the quote "It's fine, luckily we're all English so no one will ask any questions. Thank you centuries of emotional repression" come from? It's familiar but I can't place it. 

Peep Show. 


Oh, and to get back on topic...here's a leftist revolutionary that was left off: 
Tito. 
His forces liberated Yugoslavia with little Soviet support and was of course famous for his "independent minded" Socialism and didn't dabble in the Stalinist/Soviet shenanigans, and was a leading member of the non aligned movement. I have to admit, I am not very familiar at all with his domestic policy, but I never hear the name lumped with the more bloody/tyrannical dictators of the era. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 18:59
I'm Spartacus.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 19:02
^ Cool! But you forgot the shades! Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 20:22
Other-Spartacus, indeed






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 21:50
Voted none of the above. Most revolutionaries became authoritarians.
I do think Winston Churchill was a revolutionary in terms of his ideas how to deal with the second world war tho'.  i.e. ships in convoy were more successful against the wolf pack submarines, he also is credited with coming up with designing the idea of the war tanks etc. he was very stubborn but also brave :) and obnoxious yes very much but at that time no one wanted his job thus they appointed him and he strived in it LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2015 at 07:10
Where's Frank Zappa there?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2015 at 07:25
^Quite a few with whom I would never like to be seen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2015 at 08:39
I smell a meme...

"Justin Bieber with Tito!"
"Kim Kardashian with Tito!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2015 at 10:59
Svetonio must have a Tito fetish......
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2015 at 11:48
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Not to go off topic, JJLehto, but where does the quote "It's fine, luckily we're all English so no one will ask any questions. Thank you centuries of emotional repression" come from? It's familiar but I can't place it. 

Peep Show. 


Oh, and to get back on topic...here's a leftist revolutionary that was left off: 
Tito. 
His forces liberated Yugoslavia with little Soviet support and was of course famous for his "independent minded" Socialism and didn't dabble in the Stalinist/Soviet shenanigans, and was a leading member of the non aligned movement. I have to admit, I am not very familiar at all with his domestic policy, but I never hear the name lumped with the more bloody/tyrannical dictators of the era. 
An article from the British press, from 1970:
Quote Yugoslavia is a contradiction: communist, yet a free society.The explanation is that it is no longer purely communist, yet there are anomalies which westerners would regard as serious limitations of freedom. Above all, Yugoslavia is highly self-disciplined.

Its system of self-management and decentralisation defies accurate comparison. One might be tempted to think Yugoslavia as westernised as, say, Italy; but the League of Communists still plays the leading role, and it pays to belong to the Party.

While Yugoslavs would not accept Kremlin communism, they do not want a society based on private capital. Nor do they admire British democracy — with its party whips and an Opposition dedicated to overthrowing the Government — or the American system with its wheeling and dealing, remote from ordinary people.

In theory, the League of Communists is divorced from the State. In fact all the Federal and Republic Ministers and leading functionaries are Party members. The Party no longer issues directives; it lays down principles upon which Government should act. Government will argue tactics but would no more think of going against the Party view than the Irish Government would condemn advice from Rome.

It is essential to be a Party member if one wishes to become a Minister, almost essential for election to the assemblies, and essential in an army officer and among diplomats. The directors of most factories and institutions are members.

On the other hand, on the ordinary level, Party membership is a matter of choice, and it is easy to leave. If a factory director is a paid-up card-carrier, his chief engineer is likely not to be. The Macedonian information ministry representative who drove me around was not a member. Nor are many professors.

More important is the trend of reducing government interference at almost every level. This and decentralisation are so advanced that many communists are trying to restore some sort of central influence.

They do not, however, necessarily want a return to Soviet communism (although there is a "Cominformist" faction which would like centrally controlled ideological principles), but rather some sense of Yugoslav national policy to bring together the fiercely independent trends which self-management creates.

There is, too, the natural strain between progressives and conservatives, between rich and poor. The rich north subsidises the often extremely poor south. Concepts of left and right become muddled.

Marshal Tito, who is both a progressive and a conservative, presides over the pushing and shoving with monarchical prestige.

The dividing line between Party power and civic independence is difficult to draw. Many Yugoslavs claim that they have achieved their revolution so that Party membership is less and less important.

One junior Minister said: "We are no longer too reliant on principles. They get in the way. We are much more pragmatic."

The bad old days are explained away thus: "We are trying to telescope what Oxford and Cambridge and Harvard and Yale achieved in 250 years into 25 years. We were an occupied country, too, and old memories from those days still remain. What happened after the revolution was absolutely necessary. Now things are different.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 02 2015 at 11:52
^If you remember the sixties, then you weren't there. That's false. We just want to forget about this Cold War BS.

Edited by SteveG - September 03 2015 at 12:00
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