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    Posted: September 24 2015 at 00:44
Hey all,

I'm really bit on chronology. I'm an absolute history nut in just about every regard, and I like to apply chronology to basically everything including my listening habits. However I've found that very few databases easily cater to this desire, even when they have otherwise good search systems. 

PA is no different in that sense wherein you can pretty much find what you're looking for, but not in neat and concise lists. If you, for example, search the top 100 prog albums and limit the search up to 1970, you will not get anywhere near every prog album released in 1970.

What I'm trying to do currently as a preamble to writing some history and critique is put as many prog albums and bands in a chronological sequence to see where they connect. Does anyone have a near comprehensive list of albums within any particular timeframe (earlier is better at this point, but any will do)? I'm bent on completism and I've actually started going through the database alphabetically to try and list all the bands in order as just a starter, even though it's doubtful I'll ever be able to work my way up to the 2000s. I have to though, lest I miss out on something that no search will ever tell me!

Any help on this matter would be appreciated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 01:08
Oh I'm sure you'll get a few takers.  If it's one thing proggies love to do it's list things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 02:21
Instead of top, you can search by year, by country, by genre and so on.
Unfortunately you can get a maximum of 250 results that for years like 1971 are really too few
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 04:56
Perhaps Max or an Admin could extract this direct from the PA database with a bit of SQL?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 05:48
Originally posted by AguyinaRPG AguyinaRPG wrote:

Hey all,

I'm really bit on chronology. I'm an absolute history nut in just about every regard, and I like to apply chronology to basically everything including my listening habits. However I've found that very few databases easily cater to this desire, even when they have otherwise good search systems. 

PA is no different in that sense wherein you can pretty much find what you're looking for, but not in neat and concise lists. If you, for example, search the top 100 prog albums and limit the search up to 1970, you will not get anywhere near every prog album released in 1970.

What I'm trying to do currently as a preamble to writing some history and critique is put as many prog albums and bands in a chronological sequence to see where they connect. Does anyone have a near comprehensive list of albums within any particular timeframe (earlier is better at this point, but any will do)? I'm bent on completism and I've actually started going through the database alphabetically to try and list all the bands in order as just a starter, even though it's doubtful I'll ever be able to work my way up to the 2000s. I have to though, lest I miss out on something that no search will ever tell me!

Any help on this matter would be appreciated.


I'd love to peruse your finished works. Smile

as a timeline nutfreak on rock's history, I've always been wondering why the month of release was not more often entered in DB, because it's kind of important to know who influenced who, if one record released one year was published a few months later or earlier than the other

For the 60/70's (66 to 81, actually), this should help you wonders (don't hesitate to slide sideways)

http://strawberrybricks.com/timeline


Rate Your Music can also be your friend , but you'll have tio look up the specific albums... You might even find the day of the moth of the release in some cases.

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 07:35
If you put the Minimum Number of Ratings in 1, it will show more albums.

Especially if you look for countries and/or genres.

Example: If you search in the year 1968, you'll have 7 results. If you put the Minimum Number of Ratings in 1, you'll have 36.

This would help you get more and more precise results. Then, to go deeper, make the same thing researching by country, by year and by genre (all together, if thats the case).

If you were already doing that, forget everything I said. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 07:37
By the way, I'am curious: your work comprehend all countries and all years?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 07:39
You can sort of do something like that at Discogs:
 
 
It is by no means perfect. I don't see a way of sorting it by artist instead of title. It also depends on what the folks that enter these into Discogs define as "Prog Rock."
 
A database is only as good as how much of it is indexed and how granular it's data is (or how detailed its metadata is).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 07:50
Also Rate Your Music:
 
 
I don't see a way to limit it to an individual year, but this rather large list is in year order. It also doesn't limit it to format (LP vs. single). Again, it depends on what the folks at RYM define as progressive rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 09:13
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

By the way, I'am curious: your work comprehend all countries and all years?

It will! Personally I haven't had much experience with the mainland European prog rock varieties but given just how many bands there are there's no denying how influential it is. I love putting things into historical context to discover what traces from where.

The plan is I'll eventually be writing a blog who's goal  will hopefully be to identify not only the major stages in prog's development (rather than perceived ones) but also to humanize the music a bit, which I think a lot of authors have strayed away from. I do believe prog is very human music, but people don't talk about the genre or the people like they do other forms of rock n' roll. It will be a starter's guide of sorts, a tool for anyone who wants to know about these bands to gain knowledge about them. I'm big on helping people research, especially when the information is out there but not thoroughly collected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 11:30
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Oh I'm sure you'll get a few takers.  If it's one thing proggies love to do it's list things.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 12:47
Originally posted by AguyinaRPG AguyinaRPG wrote:

Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

By the way, I'am curious: your work comprehend all countries and all years?

It will! Personally I haven't had much experience with the mainland European prog rock varieties but given just how many bands there are there's no denying how influential it is. I love putting things into historical context to discover what traces from where.

The plan is I'll eventually be writing a blog who's goal  will hopefully be to identify not only the major stages in prog's development (rather than perceived ones) but also to humanize the music a bit, which I think a lot of authors have strayed away from. I do believe prog is very human music, but people don't talk about the genre or the people like they do other forms of rock n' roll. It will be a starter's guide of sorts, a tool for anyone who wants to know about these bands to gain knowledge about them. I'm big on helping people research, especially when the information is out there but not thoroughly collected.


Very interesting... but this will take a heck of time! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 16:42
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Interesting... but this will take a heck of time! LOL
Tell me about it. I always do this to myself, but I make at least some progress at the very least.

So I'll post my findings below for prog albums up to 1970. A couple things to keep in mind,

-Inform me of things which I've missed and tell me what I should listen to in order to determine whether it's Prog or not. I have barely listened to any of these so this is a completely rough guide right now.

-The format is [Month-Day-Year] (Band) "{Album Title ( - Specific Song)}"

-As everyone has a controversial choice in what to include and not include in prog, I'm going to state right out that I don't consider Captain Beefheart nor Frank Zappa to be prog. They're avant garde, and while worth talking about, not in my scope of what prog is.

-There's very few prog folk albums on here, though not because I don't want to include them. I haven't listened to all these albums yet, so I can't tell what fits my perception of prog or not but a lot of the "Prog Folk" ones didn't sound like they were prog at all. I do intend to talk about Prog folk (else Jethro Tull would be an odd one out) but please point me to ones which exhibit more traits of prog rock rather than simply classical adaptations to folk instruments.

-On that same note, simply having beat-driven orchestral music does not automatically mean it's prog. I'll talk about this with Days of Future Passed when I start doing my write-ups but if any of these albums don't really feature prog elements, just synthesizers, please inform me. However in that vein, I consider Mort Garson to be a mixed bag. Wozard of Iz appears to be prog-like and Electronic Hair Pieces appears to be in an entirely different realm. Obviously debates are to be had but I think my view of prog is wide enough to allow for stuff like Krautrock but exclude Wendy Carlos.

-I only list albums, but I will talk about interim releases by bands which are prog in the actual blog. The only time I don't list an album is when unreleased material would put the bad way out of context (excluding Whiter Shade of Pale which is a necessary starting point to talking about Prog). I'm trying not to frontload the future. Live albums are on the same level as studio albums, so long as they contain new material.

-I intend to talk about not directly related prog stuff (prior albums, psychedelic trends) but not in much detail, currently. I want to boil this down to the evolution of prog as an artform and look at the context afterwards. 

-Italicized entries are those which I believe have some prog songs, but are not entirely albums full of such. Again, feel free to express your own opinions and clarifications.

-Any comments about more specific release dates, corrections, or places where I can start learning about some of these bands (sites or books) are appreciated.

5-12-67 Procol Harum “A Whiter Shade of Pale/Lime Street Blues”

9-67 Procol Harum “Procol Harum”

11-10-67 The Moody Blues “Days of Future Passed”

67 CzesŁaw Niemen “Dziwny jest ten świat”

1-22-68 Spirit “Spirit”

Spring-68 Sampler “You Can All Join In”

4-68 Eric Burdon and the Animals “The Twain Shall Meet”

7-19-68 Family “Music in a Doll's House”

7-26-68 The Moody Blues “In Search of the Lost Chord”

9-68 Procol Harum “Shine on Brightly”

10-68 Caravan “Caravan”

10-68 Aphrodite's Child “End of the World”

10-68 David Axelrod “Song of Innocence - The Mental Traveller"

11-68 The Nice “Ars Longa Vita Brevis”'

11-68 Pearls Before Swine “Balaklava”

12-68 The Soft Machine “The Soft Machine”

68 Pärson Sound “Pärson Sound”

68 Grupa 220 “Nasi Dani”

68 Mort Garson “The Wozard of Iz: An Electronic Odyssey”

68 Sampler “Rock Machine I Love You”

2-69 Spirit “The Family That Plays Together”

3-69 Family “Family Entertainment”

Early-69 Touch “Touch”

4-25-69 The Moody Blues “On the Threshold of a Dream”

6-69 White Noise “An Electric Storm”

8-69 Procol Harum “Salty Dog”

8-69 Can “Monster Movie”

9-69 The Soft Machine “Volume Two”

9-69 Nice “The Nice”

9-69 Jethro Tull “Stand Up”

10-69 Pentangle “Basket of Light”

10-10-69 “In the Court of the Crimson King”

11-69 Kevin Ayers “Joy of a Toy”

11-21-69 The Moody Blues “To Our Children's Children's Children”

69 East of Eden “Mercator Projected”

69 High Tide “Sea Shanties”

69 Clouds “Make No Bones About It / Heritage”

69 Clouds “The Clouds Scrapbook”

69 Amon Düül II “Phallus Dei”

69 Renaissance “Renaissance”

69 The Advancement “The Advancement”

69 Xhol Caravan “Altena”

69 Xhol Caravan “Electrip”

69 Sampler “Wowie Zowie! The World of Progressive Music”

69 Collegium Musicum “Zvoňte zvonky”

69 The Orient Express “The Orient Express”

69 Taste of Blues “Schizofrenia”

69 Mighty Baby “Mighty Baby”

69 Trikolon “Cluster”

69 Krokodil “Krokodil”

69 Friendsound “Joyride”

69 Don Robertson “Dawn”

69 Jody Grind “One Step On”

69 Audience “Audience”

69 Writing on the Wall “Power of the Picts”

69 Valhalla “Valhalla”

69 Clark Hutchinson “A=mh2”

69 Rare Bird “Rare Bird”

1-19-70 Czesław Niemen “Enigmatic”

2-70 Waterloo “First Battle”

2-70 Van der Graaf Generator “The least we can do is wave to each other”

3-13-70 Egg “Egg”

3-70 Gong “Magick Brother”

3-70 The Greatest Show on Earth “Horizons”

5-70 Audience” Friend's Friend's Friend”

5-70 Quartermass “Quartermass”

5-15-70 King Crimson “In the Wake of Poseidon”

6-5-70 Procol Harum “Home”

6-6-70 Soft Machine “Third”

6-13-70 Uriah Heep “...Very 'Eavy ...Very 'Umble”

6-70 The Nice “Five Bridges Suite”

6-70 Julian's Treatment “A Time Before This”

Mid-Late 70 Delivery “Fools Meeting”

Mid-Late 70 High Tide “High Tide”

7-14-70 Supertramp “Supertramp”

7-70 Tully “Tully”

7-70 Traffic “John Barleycorn Must Die”

8-7-70 The Moody Blues “A Question of Balance”

8-70 T2 “It'll All Work Out in Boomland”

9-4-70 Caravan “If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You”

9-70 Can “Soundtracks”

9-70 Atomic Rooster “Death Walks Behind You”

9-70 Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice “Jesus Christ Superstar”

10-23-70 Genesis “Trespass”

10-70 Kevin Ayers “Shooting at the Moon”

11-20-70 ELP “Emerson, Lake and Palmer”

11-27-70 Gentle Giant “Gentle Giant”

11-70 Warhorse “Warhorse”

11-70 Steamhammer “Mountains”

12-4-70 Wishbone Ash “Wishbone Ash – Pheonix”

12-11-70 King Crimson “Lizard”

12-70 Van der Graaf Generator “H to He, Who Am the Only One”

Late 70 Lucifer's Friend “Lucifer's Friend”

70 Judas Jump “Scorch”

70 Aardvark “Aardvark”

70 Abstract Truth “Totum”

70 Abstract Truth “Silver Trees”

70 Accolade “Accolade”

70 Ache “De Homine Urbano”

70 Affinity “Affinity”

70 Amon Düül II “Yeti”

70 Annexus Quam “Osmose”

70 Aquila “Aquila”

70 Arbete Och Fritid “Arbete Och Fritid”

70 Black Window “Sacrifice”

70 Bo Hansson “Sagan om Ringen”

70 Bruce Haack “The Electric Lucifer”

70 Collegium Musicum “Collegium Musicum”

70 Cressida “Cressida”

70 Culpeper's Orchard “Culpeper's Orchard”

70 Dom “Edge of Time”

70 East of Eden “Snafu”

70 Ekseption “Beggar Julius Time Trip”

70 Ekseption “3”

70 Focus “In and Out of Focus”

70 Frumpy “All Will Be Changed”

70 Gracious “Gracious!”

70 Guru Guru “UFO”

70 Gypsy “Gypsy”

70 Igor Wakhevitch “Logos”

70 Ihre Kindler “2375 004 (Jeans-Cover)”

70 Ihre Kindler “Leere Hände”

70 Life “Life”

70 Lost Nation “Paradise Lost”

70 Magma “Magma”

70 Marek Grechuta “Marek Grechuta & Anawa”

70 Marsupilami “Marsupilami”

70 May Blitz “May Blitz”

70 Mickey Curtis and Samurai “Samurai”

70 Nosferatu “Nosferatu”

70 Orange Peel “Orange Peel”

70 Oriental Sunshine “Dedicated to the Bird We Love”

70 Os Mundi “Latin Mass”

70 Quarteto 1111 “Quarteto 1111”

70 Rare Bird “As Your Mind Flies By”

70 Raw Material “Raw Material”

70 Room “Pre-Flight”

70 Rutus Zuphall “Weiß der Teufel”

70 Sampler “Bumpers”, “Fill Your Head With Rock”, “Picnic – A Breath of Fresh Air”, “Rockbuster”, “The Age of Atlantic”, “Vertigo Annual”

70 Sharkmove “Ghede Chokra's”

70 Sperm “Shh!”

70 Supersister “Present From Nancy”

70 Syrinx “Syrinx”

70 Taman Shud “Goolutionities and the Real People”

70 The Greatest Show on Earth “The Going's Easy”

70 The Underground Set “The Underground Set”

70 Titus Groan “Titus Groan & … Plus”

70 Xhol Caravan “Hau-RUK”

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 17:24
And why is this list important to you? I'm afraid you've lost me.
 
Most important albums fall into known timeframes such as Pet Sounds (briefly) predating Revolver, etc and can be found at music sites such as Allmusic for quick comparisons.


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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

And why is this list important to you? I'm afraid you've lost me.

I'm going to be making a historical blog where I try to listen to all prog albums, in chronological order if and when possible. I'm going to use the blog as a centralized hub of information for those who want to get a head start on researching these bands as well by linking to articles, books, and the like to provide people more information. Since prog rock, on the whole, is a relatively small piece of music history I'd thought it'd be within possibility to at least try and listen to every explicit prog record up through the 70s.

Thusly, it's a history project, of sorts. I want to look at prog from the perspective of someone who knows only the highlights about it and find where the gaps bridge in between. I want to form a picture as to why this music remains important to the understanding of popular music and help devise a sequence of events which makes up that story.
 
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

 Most important albums fall into known timeframes such as Pet Sounds (briefly) predating Revolver, etc and can be found at music sites such as Allmusic for quick comparisons.
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, but just searching for the "important" albums isn't what I'm trying to do. In some of my other projects I try to define what's "important" and what's not, but importance is always perceived. Our own perspectives on what shapes what change over time and from person to person. Just as popular music cannot be define purely by #1 hits, a musical genre cannot be define purely by albums which are spoken about the most. I never even heard of Krautrock until I started looking into Prog, for example (nor European music in general, being American).

I'm looking to both expand my musical horizons as a player and as someone who enjoys art history, and I'm not going to do that by just listening to Moody Blues, Procol Harum, and King Crimson. There's more to prog than that, and a lot of it isn't really documented in a way which people can easily access. That's my goal, to have people able to access information while giving my own perspective.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 20:01
Originally posted by AguyinaRPG AguyinaRPG wrote:

Since prog rock, on the whole, is a relatively small piece of music history I'd thought it'd be within possibility to at least try and listen to every explicit prog record up through the 70s.

Uhhh, easy man. "Only" prog is still a lot of things! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2015 at 09:40
Originally posted by AguyinaRPG AguyinaRPG wrote:

 
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

 Most important albums fall into known timeframes such as Pet Sounds (briefly) predating Revolver, etc and can be found at music sites such as Allmusic for quick comparisons.
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, but just searching for the "important" albums isn't what I'm trying to do. In some of my other projects I try to define what's "important" and what's not, but importance is always perceived. Our own perspectives on what shapes what change over time and from person to person. Just as popular music cannot be define purely by #1 hits, a musical genre cannot be define purely by albums which are spoken about the most. I never even heard of Krautrock until I started looking into Prog, for example (nor European music in general, being American).
 
I Understand what you're saying, but without defined 'benchmarks', any study of art would be a chaotic struggle. We compare art with what has gone before and place different forms of art into known classifications. Very much the  way PA has done with prog music. Subjective views are wonderful, but objective views form the rules, classes, historical circumstances and dates that are important to the study of any art form.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2015 at 23:06
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I Understand what you're saying, but without defined 'benchmarks', any study of art would be a chaotic struggle. We compare art with what has gone before and place different forms of art into known classifications. Very much the  way PA has done with prog music. Subjective views are wonderful, but objective views form the rules, classes, historical circumstances and dates that are important to the study of any art form.

It's not as if I don't recognize said landmarks as landmarks, nor that as consumers those are not helpful in the definition of a genre. Historians though can't take things at face value. One needs to dig in behind the definition and see what makes it up. True, you don't need to go for completism to do this, but I want to because it's something I've always wondered about.

The benefit in terms of actually being thorough about it is that music is a passive medium, though ultimately prog requires more dedication to suss out some of its hidden depth. I think it's well within possibility to listen to every documented prog album up until 1979, if not also write small biographies about the bands which forged them. The hardest part is going to be drawing the lines and putting everything in context. The rest is music.
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