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Poll Question: pick the winner of the 2015 PA's modern album tournament
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 20:05
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Yes of course svetonio. But then again that goes for all progressive rock which is exactly why you don't have a point.
Summa summarum, Art Rock, although accepted by many fans of prog rock, has its own life, and it's a different genre than Prog, and therefore Art Rock have not much to do with Prog Rock as it may seem to some at first sight and therefore to be artificialy tagged as "crossover prog" and (or) "prog related" at the most influential prog site in the cyber space.
For example, that strong influence of 70s Ambient music on 80s Art Rock acts can not be denied; on other side, you will hardly find those 70s Ambient elements in 80s Neo Prog where New Wave elements are also there; furthermore, Art Rock in general is far more British and the U.S. thing than Prog Rock which has a strong foothold in the European mainland; unlike Prog, there are not sub-genres in Art Rock but those great Art Rock acts are sub-genres (of Art Rock) per se; that different manner of singing I mentioned already, and so on. The differences between Art Rock and Prog Rock are huge and many.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 19:28
Svetonio might not be correct but you all treat him more like sh*t than we treat anyone.

Personally I don't like post-rock much so this conversation is not for me. :) Just thought I would add my no sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 18:15
Yes of course svetonio. But then again that goes for all progressive rock which is exactly why you don't have a point.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 12:57
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

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Art Rock? Like Roxy Music and 10CC? I don't hear it. 
Yes, there is a certain difference between Art Rock albums recorded in 70s and those from (late) 80s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 10:25
SleepySorry Svet, but I don't see/hear enough of elements in both your Big Ship links to say that Eno is the godfather or founder of Post Rock...
Sure, there is a slow crescendo in Big Ship around the 3/4 mark that could be slightly influential to post rockers some 15 years later, but 3/4 of rock could claim Eno as an influence
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 10:18
Have we ever tried silent treatment in response to a troll? Ermm I was thinking of bringing the thread back to normal instead of letting us help Svetonio in soiling it for seven whole pages (20 posts per page).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 09:18
^NEU! (Hallogallo, Für Immer), Can (Future Days era), Kraftwerk (Kling Klang is shockingly similar to Djed mm...) Early Post-rock owes plenty from that whole german motorik thing. How surprising is it that? 

Talk Talk created something unique combining their different influences including jazz. And the influence from their two last albums can be heard on countless later Post Rock-albums. Stretched out, no real songs with pop-hooks, atmospheric, repetitive and somewhat experimental, but not so much complex rock music.

Art Rock? Like Roxy Music and 10CC? I don't hear it. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 08:34
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

 
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

got anything more stupid to say?? PigEvil Smile
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Don't tempt him, he'll take that last question as a challenge!
 
I'm sure he will succeed quite nicely... Wink
 
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Talk Talk were recorded, I repeat myself again, a great 80s Art Rock album, but they invented nothing what didn't existed before that album. If we discussed about "post-rock before post-rock", then for example this well know and less than 4-minute long Eno's song from 1975, in fact sounds more like "progressive" post-rock than anything on Spirit of Eden.
 
Game set & match!! LOL
 
this dude is probably just as stupidly stubborn as Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic all together in one body!!!
 
I rest my case!! Evil Smile
 
 
 
 
That extended version of Eno's The Big Ship is even better to solve the homework that has the working title "What really could be called post-rock before post-rock?":
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 07:17
 
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

got anything more stupid to say?? PigEvil Smile
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Don't tempt him, he'll take that last question as a challenge!
 
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Talk Talk were recorded, I repeat myself again, a great 80s Art Rock album, but they invented nothing what didn't existed before that album. If we discussed about "post-rock before post-rock", then for example this well know and less than 4-minute long Eno's song from 1975, in fact sounds more like "progressive" post-rock than anything on Spirit of Eden.
 
Game set & match!! LOL
 
this dude is probably just as stupidly stubborn as Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic all together in one body!!!
 
I rest my case!! Evil Smile
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 06:47
What exactly have you contributed other than a lot of hot air?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 06:43
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

You're still trying to reason with somebody who says that Sade is math-rockLOL? Come on, guys, let's be serious!
When I came here in September 2010 (you and your husband were already left the PA for some reason and you both didn't contributed for five years here) and when I saw the Belgrade's punk / new wave band Šarlo Akrobata in the PA database, and when I saw that some people here mentioned Talk Talk as "post rock" act, I really thought that suggesting the bands here is, say, absolutely free, i.e. that at the PA anyone is free to make the suggestions if heard something that sounds like some genre (though Šarlo Akrobata have nothing to do with avant prog, while the best 80s stuff by Sade is  mathy), although that suggested band / solo artist is not already tagged and widely accepted to the genre as post rock, math rock or avant.
Of course, I was wrong, and due to that Sade suggestion in 2011, I have been promptly satanized by some people at this site, and then it become clear to me that this forum is not different than other forums, and that the addition of punk / new wave band Šarlo Akrobata actually was just a pitiful product of HUGE ignorance; it's actually similar case to King Crimson who were in PA ex- Art Rock section. LOL So that I could ask the question: how you're trying to reason with somebody who has pushed KC in Art Rock, and Šarlo Akrobata in Avant ProgLOL?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 06:07
You're still trying to reason with somebody who says that Sade is math-rockLOL? Come on, guys, let's be serious!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 06:04
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

 
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Talk Talk inventeed the genre, even before it existed or the term was coined.
 
(...)
 
 
 
Talk Talk were recorded, I repeat myself again, a great 80s Art Rock album, but they invented nothing what didn't existed before that album. If we discussed about "post-rock before post-rock", then for example this well know and less than 4-minute long Eno's song from 1975, in fact sounds more like "progressive" post-rock than anything on Spirit of Eden.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 05:46
^Don't tempt him, he'll take that last question as a challenge!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 04:58
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

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Talk Talk, the Post Rock band LOL
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LOL  If Talk Talk were a post-rock band in any moment of their career, then Brian Eno, with his 70s Ambient LPs, was the first post-rock artist ever LOL
So, what Post Rock Team are waiting for?! Let's move Mr Eno in Post-Rock section!
 
 
You're just a little whinney over-argumentative tart, aren't you?
 
Talk Talk inventeed the genre, even before it existed or the term was coined.
 
OK, the post-rock movement started a little later than TT's last two albums, but they predated the well-known Tortoise (who is generally thought of as being the inventor of the style/genre) by three years
 
 
But if you don't believe us (PA), then maybe you'll believe RYM, then:
 
 
 
 
 
got anything more stupid to say?? PigEvil Smile
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 04:26
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

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Talk Talk, the Post Rock band LOL
(...) 
 
 
LOL  If Talk Talk were a post-rock band in any moment of their career, then Brian Eno, with his 70s Ambient LPs, was the first post-rock artist ever LOL
So, what Post Rock Team are waiting for?! Let's move Mr Eno in Post-Rock section!
And, consenquently, my suggestion thread entitled "Sade for Post/Math Rock" that to be unlocked 'cause Sade was mathy as hell Evil Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 04:21
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Well Hugues, that seemed to work better than expected.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 02:44
Actually, I would've prefered Hybris to win this tournament!!! Or Vemod... or 5 Suns...
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Yup, I just voted TT, just to piss of Svetonia... Big smile
Me? Who I am? LOL! I am Mr. Nobody. Actually, you piss of that great prog band Anglagard, just in favour of new wave band Talk Talk LOL

I suspect Angalgard couldn't care less.
 
neither does Talk Talk, the Post Rock band LOL
 
Actually, I voted for Hybris at all stages, except for the final... and Tonia's sh*tty attitude is the sole responsible for Hybris' defeat, since my vote probably sealed it!!!
 
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Well Hugues, that seemed to work better than expected.
 
Well, I'm sure Tonia did piss his pants out of rage over this whole issue...
 
why else would he make such a fuss ?? Big smile
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2015 at 01:54
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 (....) those you are profiting with  in Bandcamp...(...)
I told you several times that I don't work for Bandcamp. And no once I asked you to show a proof of your assertion that I work for Bandcamp as a bot, and you did not have any proof; in real life, you are an renowned lawyer as you said, so you should know that the false accusation is something bad.
I'm very sorry because you don't like Bandcamp for some reason, but it's a legal stream & download site and, consenquently, those Bandcamp links are allowed at the Prog Archives.
Bye!

 
(...) I like Bandcamp, I don't like you
 
Really? I didn't know that detail til now, thank you Ivan LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL 
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