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Poll Question: pick the winner of the 2015 PA's modern album tournament
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 12:20
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Need to listen to Talk Talk again before voting, first two times have done nothing for me.
Not sure if "forced", premeditated (as opposed to "casual") listens are conducive to appreciation. Worked for AEProgman (strangely), but it might not work for you.

Yeah, I think forced or hurried listening usually does not have the same effect.  When I first listened to Talk Talk, it happened to be the right time and was sort of a casual listen and was ready to kick back and try something new.  It just struck a chord with me (pun not intended) and clicked.  That and an extra glass of Merlot may have had something to do with it. Beer

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 14:01
Doesn't matter because I can't vote for Koenjihyakkei. No vote


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 14:12
Originally posted by Skalla-Grim Skalla-Grim wrote:

Doesn't matter because I can't vote for Koenjihyakkei. No vote


in a knock-out tournament final you don't get to vote on an album that has already been knocked out. Sorry, but life's like that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 14:25
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:



Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 Nope.
I will say here that Spirit of Eden is not a Progressive rock album, because it's simply true.


This is why most people consider you a complete arse, because it's simply true.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 15:27
Love Talk Talkt, but Hybris wins to me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 15:36
Talk talk easily, this is like a slap in the face to modern prog with the age of these two finalist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 18:52
Hybris is a nice album. How much I enjoy tends to vary a bit but it is one of those albums that you can throw on when you cannot think of something else. Therein lies its problem I guess. What's more I've not really been motivated by Hybris to go off and explore more of Anglagard's catalogue. Nonetheless I'm going to do so and have another full listen to Hybris before I vote.

Otoh, Eden has me totally sucked in and has had since pretty much first listen. The bombast of 70's Prog/ArtRock/Symphonic whatever the truck you want to call it was for me a wondrous thing but even back then I needed on occasion something a bit simpler, a bit cleaner and for me a bit bleaker to clear the bombast induced fog. Not that there was anything wrong with the fog but we all need some shade with our light. Full moon is a wondrous thing as it rises over the ocean but its only on moonless nights that you get to see the stars. What is more, Eden has had me scrabbling to find what else these guys did and I'm starting to get a bit pissed that I didn't find them 30 years ago. Eden may be their masterpiece but Colour of Spring and Laughing Stock are not to be sneezed at. Nor is Mark Hollis' S/T solo album.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:00
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Skalla-Grim Skalla-Grim wrote:

Doesn't matter because I can't vote for Koenjihyakkei. No vote


in a knock-out tournament final you don't get to vote on an album that has already been knocked out. Sorry, but life's like that.

Well I love Koenji too but I still voted.

I mean... I'm probably gonna have to choose between a butthole and a wackjob for president and I'll probably vote for something at least or maybe write in my dad's name.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:27
Originally posted by t d wombat t d wombat wrote:

"...What is more, Eden has had me scrabbling to find what else these guys did and I'm starting to get a bit pissed that I didn't find them 30 years ago. Eden may be their masterpiece but Colour of Spring and Laughing Stock are not to be sneezed at. Nor is Mark Hollis' S/T solo album.


Totally agree - Also very much attached to their earlier album "The Party's Over" the title track, an amazing song which should have had more notice - I never tire listening to Mark Hollis' passionate voice -

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:47
just broke the tie in favor of Talk Talk
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:02

Änglagård, Hybris.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 00:50
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Hybris is a winner no matter the final results. 

Can someone imagine an album not sung in English reaching the finals? Beer
Exactly. Hybris is already the winner regarding prog albums which were at the polls of 'modern' albums as it was defined by the poster himself.
As Spirit of Eden is not a prog album but an art-rock/ambiental effort made by well know 80s British New Wave makers of sh*t synth pop hits what were the anthithesis of prog rock at the time, Hybris is the winner!
So, cheers for the winner album sung in the native language of such a great prog rock band Änglagård Beer
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 01:04
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Talk Talk is not even Prog.

BTW: Retro Prog is a silly tag, it's only Symphonic Prog, a genre that still lives today.

There's retro Pop because Pop tends to have a short lapse of life, but Prog is made to last, so something recorded 20 years after the genre started is not retro.

It's like calling Classical Era as retro Baroque.

Hybris is PURE PROG.
The term 'retro-prog' could be used as a description only, and only for the albums by the bands who insisted on vintage instruments like 70s analog synths, full analog recording process and so on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 01:14
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

The term 'retro-prog' could be used as a description only, and only for the albums by the bands who insisted on vintage instruments like 70s analog synths, full analog recording process and so on.

Why retro?

Why a musical genre has to last 2, 3 or 15 years?

Symphonic started with The Nice (IMHO) and lasts until today.

Probably retro could be used in genres created to be an ephemeral fashion and died after a period of time like Disco, but Prog was created to last, and Symphonic of today is as valid as Symphonic from the 70's.

Anglagard played the same Symphonic as Genesis or King Crimson's debut, they are retro nothing, Symphonic never died.
            
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 01:24
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

The term 'retro-prog' could be used as a description only, and only for the albums by the bands who insisted on vintage instruments like 70s analog synths, full analog recording process and so on.

Why retro?

Why a musical genre has to last 2, 3 or 15 years?

Symphonic started with The Nice (IMHO) and lasts until today.

Probably retro could be used in genres created to be an ephemeral fashion and died after a period of time like Disco, but Prog was created to last, and Symphonic of today is as valid as Symphonic from the 70's.

Anglagard played the same Symphonic as Genesis or King Crimson's debut, they are retro nothing, Symphonic never died.
I agreed 100% that symphonic prog is a living genre, so that symphonic, and related genres which were existed in 70s, like space rock or jazz-rock, can not be called 'retro' anyway.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 04:12
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

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2) This is how the other major prog database - aka ProgGnosis - categorizes Talk Talk: http://www.proggnosis.com/ARTIST_Detail.aspx?AID=3681 Perhaps those who object to the Crossover Prog subgenre will find "Prog Pop" more to their taste. Moreover, to debunk the myth that PA is the only place where Spirit of Eden is labeled as prog, here's what the ProgGnosis review says: http://www.proggnosis.com/Release_Detail.aspx?RID=9980


I think that everybody should see what "the other major prog database" ProgGnosis' only one review of Spirit of Eden actually says, but bolded, 'cause many guys and gals never clicked at the links as some don't have enough time for surfing, some are too lazy to do it and some doesn't care about this matter at all.
 
In the first sentence of that only one review, Marc wrote this:
 
Quote "Talk Talk turn full Prog in this album. (...)
 
This is the crucial evidence that "Marc" has no idea about Prog Rock.
Marc The Reviewer actually thinks that every experimental and ambiental album is - prog. And therefore it is futile to any further discussion whether Marc knows what is art rock, although the most noticeable difference between prog and art rock is the manner of singing (e.g. due to the manner of singing, The Beatles' A Day In The Life  is art rock song, not prog, although the song is quite experimental).
But, to catch up on the huge ignorance as "Marc's review at the other major prog database" really is, and to use that for writing a revised history of our beloved genre, that is something very bad.
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 04:26
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


In the first sentence of that only one review, Marc wrote this:
 
Quote "Talk Talk turn full Prog in this album. (...)
 
This is the crucial evidence that "Marc" has no idea about Prog Rock.
Marc The Reviewer actually thinks that every exprerimental and ambiental album is - prog.
My guess is that "Marc" simply uses the term Prog in an other way than you do - meaning Talk Talk went (full) progressive with Spirit of Eden. Post Rock, Art Rock... bands such as Radiohead, Tortoise etc... fit in at PA as its all modern Progressive Rock while Prog usually means something more specific, based on an approach developed in the late 60's-early 70's. But I'm not going to claim that someone has no clue based on using those terms a little different than I do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 05:58
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Skalla-Grim Skalla-Grim wrote:

Doesn't matter because I can't vote for Koenjihyakkei. No vote
in a knock-out tournament final you don't get to vote on an album that has already been knocked out. Sorry, but life's like that.


I'm well aware of that and I'm not arguing against it. Still it doesn't matter for me who wins. Both are good in their own way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 06:08
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

in a knock-out tournament final you don't get to vote on an album that has already been knocked out. Sorry, but life's like that.


I'm well aware of that, just wanted to express my personal view on that final.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 06:17
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

So, cheers for the winner album sung in the native language of such a great prog rock band Änglagård Beer
 

Hmm, the "winner album" is losing at the moment.
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