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    Posted: November 13 2015 at 14:47
This article showed up online:


Although I do enjoy "Red," I don't consider it to be my favorite of the LTIA era KC albums.  I thought that LTIA was the superior LP of the three, but I'm sure this is controversial. 

Interesting that Bob deliberately "held Crimson back" from commercial success!!  What was he thinking??

Thoughts?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2015 at 15:00
I've noticed that about Fripp. To an extent, he reminds me a bit of Syd Barrett with his own unease when it came to commercial success.
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2015 at 16:06
Well I think it's because Kurt Cobain said it was one of his favourite albums that's got a lot of attention.
"Red" is very, very good. But I've always preferred LTIA any day. 
I used to have a friend who loved ITCOTCK, and yeah that's impressive, but LTIA light years futher!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2015 at 16:11
Definitely LTIA over Red, but Red still a top notch album.
I thought the 80's era achieved commercial success, especially with Sleepless. I don't think Fripp minded at that stage.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2015 at 17:56
It's funny that Fripp held Crimson back, and then went and collaborated with none other than Daryl Hall, who was in the beginning stages of the mega-stardom he'd achieve as half of Hall & Oates.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2015 at 18:01
And around that same time, he played on David Bowie's "Heroes", which hit #3 on the UK charts and guest starred on "Fade Away And Radiate" by Blondie, whose parent album, Parallel Lines, topped the charts in the UK and hit #3 in the US.
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2015 at 19:23
Fripp had bills to pay too.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2015 at 20:50
I like it far more than LTIA. It's my favorite after ITCOTCK, (slightly below it).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2015 at 22:14
Thanks!  I run hot & cold on the LP "Red"....

The title song is a personal favorite, it isn't very hard to play on bass nor electric guitar, so I've worked it into my jamming repertoire over the years.  Much fun! 

"Fallen Angel" isn't a favorite of mine, I like all the songs on LTIA and SABB more than that track.  However, the instrumentals are very good!  I also run hot & cold on "One More Red Nightmare," but I am a huge Wetton fan, so his playing & vocals always appeal to me. 

As far as Bob's personal opposition to popularity....that's a head-scratcher, since I always thought he wanted to reach for the brass ring!   I just assumed that he never hit upon the formula that could get him there....he certainly came close, with Bowie, Gabriel, Blondie etc.  This article was the first I've ever read that it was a deliberate strategy of his.  

Here's my chum John Goodsall playing a nice cover of "Red":








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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2015 at 23:28
Very good album. Still not my favourite from them (I still like the debut best). I'm not sure about which I like better, Red or Larks Tongues... I think Larks has an overall more special sound, I guess in great part thanks to Muir. Still, I enjoy more time of music on Red.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 01:54
I do prefer Starless and Bible Black over Larks' Tongues In Aspic  and Red.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 09:18
Red is ok for me, but just ok.
         I prefer their first three albums over anything that came after them, with my all time fave of theirs being In The Wake Of Poseidon. Don't know LTIA very well, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 09:49
LTIA is bolder but Red has more emotional resonance.  For that reason, I lean towards Red.  All the experimentation on LTIA/SABB crystallised into the finest set of SONGS on a KC album since ITCOTCK.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 10:17
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

It's funny that Fripp held Crimson back, and then went and collaborated with none other than Daryl Hall, who was in the beginning stages of the mega-stardom he'd achieve as half of Hall & Oates.

This is some of what Bob said in the article:

“I think John Wetton felt the group was poised for — I have to use the words ‘big time,'” McDonald said in Romano’s book. “He felt the group was, for the first time, on the verge of being widely known.” 

But the iconoclastic Fripp, in that talk with Best, admitted that he’d wasn’t envisioning any such thing. “I never let King Crimson fall into the success trap,” he said. “Several times, we went very close to having a gigantic commercial success. I have always instinctively tried to avoid this success.”

Read More: 41 Years Ago: King Crimson Implode With 'Red''s Arrival | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/king-crimson-red/?trackback=tsmclip
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 12:05
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

It's funny that Fripp held Crimson back, and then went and collaborated with none other than Daryl Hall, who was in the beginning stages of the mega-stardom he'd achieve as half of Hall & Oates.

This is some of what Bob said in the article:

“I think John Wetton felt the group was poised for — I have to use the words ‘big time,'” McDonald said in Romano’s book. “He felt the group was, for the first time, on the verge of being widely known.” 

But the iconoclastic Fripp, in that talk with Best, admitted that he’d wasn’t envisioning any such thing. “I never let King Crimson fall into the success trap,” he said. “Several times, we went very close to having a gigantic commercial success. I have always instinctively tried to avoid this success.”

Read More: 41 Years Ago: King Crimson Implode With 'Red''s Arrival | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/king-crimson-red/?trackback=tsmclip

This brought to mind a quote from Frank Herbert's Dune: "And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning 'That path leads ever down into stagnation' "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 17:49
Interesting......I gotta go with Red.....while LTIA and SABB are very good the song Starless from Red is better than anything on those two albums imho.....
and KC is my favorite prog band btw....not that that matters.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 18:26
Posiedon all the way. Red and Larks are a bit hit and miss for me. Wetton bores me a bit
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 19:30
Oh awwww I love Starless so much and that song alone carries the whole album, Red is a great album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 20:25
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Oh awwww I love Starless so much and that song alone carries the whole album, Red is a great album.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 20:54
I like both LTIA and SaBB better than Red. I like Lizard and Discipline better than Red too.
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