I'm Translating YES 《close to the edgez |
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mitarai_panda
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Topic: I'm Translating YES 《close to the edgez Posted: November 14 2015 at 01:45 |
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I'm Translating YES 《close to the edge》,has something I can't understand。
fiest,I konw the song bbased on Hermann Hesse's book Siddhartha ,the book I readed,and know the thought,but also has some sentence I can't get it。 such as: 【In her white lace, you could clearly see the lady sadly looking. Saying that she'd take the blame For the crucifixion of her own domain. I get up, Two million people barely satisfy. Two hundred women watch one woman cry, too late. The eyes of honesty can achieve. How many millions do we deceive each day? Thru the duty she would coil their said Amusement of her story asking only Interest could be laid upon the children of
her Domain.
In charge of who is there in charge of me. Do I look on blindly and say I see the way? The truth is written all along the page. How old will I be before I come of age for
you?】 Who is the lady?what's the meaning of "Two million people" and " Two hundred women"? And I know sometimes verses that often don't seem to mean anything, but I want to know the song's turely significance。 |
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octopus-4
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 03:31 | |
Finding a sense in Jon's lyrics? Good luck !
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JD
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 07:11 | |
^Agreed, never try to find literal translations in those lyrics. It's always best to try and think abstract when dealing with such matters. While there may be an underlying "theme" to the words, they should not necessarily be looked at as a story that follows any literary conventions. Jon is notorious for using words strictly because of there sound not their meaning or that they had any context to the song itself.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 08:08 | |
^My thoughts exactly.
You'll have about as much luck translating Jon's lyrics as anyone trying to decipher Finnegan's Wake or the latter half of Ulysses. 10.000 possible meanings and nothing carved in stone. |
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Manuel
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 09:47 | |
Yes, Even Chris Squire once said he did not know what Jon Anderson was singing about most of the time.
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lazland
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 10:43 | |
Even Jon Anderson once said he did not know what Jon Anderson was singing about most of the time! |
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Davesax1965
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 11:09 | |
Yep, he said he chose words for the sounds of the words, and not the meanings.
This is why they're so IRRITATING. They're not clever lyrics. Just gobbledygook. Edited by Davesax1965 - November 14 2015 at 11:11 |
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RayRo
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 11:18 | |
^Well, they never sounded like goobledygook to my dad. But he did smoke a lot of hash.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 11:20 | |
No one could smoke that much hash. There is an upper lethal limit which kicks in before you can understand Jon's lyrics. ;-)
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RayRo
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 11:26 | |
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emigre80
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Posted: November 14 2015 at 16:46 | |
I think they make sense in the same way that abstract paintings make sense. They invoke a mood rather than a literal meaning.
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fuxi
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 12:27 | |
I never found them irritating until the late 1970s when he literally started preaching, shouting nothing but New Age Exhortations at us. Incidentally, if I read one more review which states RELAYER was based on Tolstoy's WAR AND PEACE I don't know WHAT I'm gonna do. (Precisely such a review was posted on Prog Archives a few days ago...) |
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dr wu23
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 12:34 | |
TFTO is based on ideas from Paramahansa's 'Autobio of a Yogi'....but I have never read that CTTE was based on ideas from Siddhartha by Hesse.
Where did you read that from? Edited by dr wu23 - November 15 2015 at 12:36 |
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Replayer
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 18:53 | |
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emigre80
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Posted: November 15 2015 at 20:33 | |
I always found a bit of Siddhartha in the Remembering:
"As we shall speak to differ also The ends meet the river's son So the ends meet the river's son" which isn't a compliment, that book is absolute rubbish.
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dr wu23
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Posted: November 16 2015 at 07:43 | |
Thanks for the info Replayer.....
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Davesax1965
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Posted: November 16 2015 at 07:47 | |
Just blowing the dust off my BA(Hons) in English...... ;-)
OK, let's look at Gunter Grass poetry, then. Happiness An empty bus hurtles through the starry night. Perhaps the driver is singing and is happy because he sings. Does THAT make sense ? OK, how about - Tour de France When the leading bunch were overtaken by a brimstone butterfly many cyclists gave up the race. The answer is, "not conventionally". It paints a picture, yes. So it's much the same as Jon Anderson's lyrics, which have no explicit meaning, but perhaps have an implicit meaning - what you read into them. In these two cases, we have a picture - Jon's lyrics are less conventional insofaras they are even less structured than Gunter Grass's poetry. I note the original poster is Chinese. Chinese Tang poetry seems to follow much the same pattern, to me (not read all that much) and it stands up as an art form, but some things don't cross cultural divides too well. The reason why I claimed earlier that Jon Anderson's poetry is gobbledygook is that it doesn't make *conventional* sense. It's more a flow of consciousness - like jazz poetry. I dislike both, I'm afraid. Clever lyrics for me are something like Marilllions' "Grendel", which paint a far more understandable and accessible picture - to quote - Silken membranes span his path, fingerprints in dew Denizens of twilight lands humbly beg him through Mother nature's b*****d child shunned by leaf and stream*** An alien in an alien land seeks solace within dreams The shaper's lies his poisoned tongue malign with mocking harp Beguiling queen her innocence offends his icy heart Hounds freeze in silence bewitched by the reptile spell Sulphurous essence pervades round the grassy dell Heorot awaits him like lamb to the butcher's knife Stellular heavens ignore even children's cries Screams are his music, lightning his guide Raping the darkness, death by his side Chants rise in terror, free round the oaken beams Flickering firelight portraying the grisly scene Warriors advance, prepare for the nightmare foe Futile their sacrifice as even their hearts must know Heroes delusion, with feet in the grave Lurker at the threshold, he cares not for the brave, he cares not for the brave There y'go. Less pretentious twaddle, please, Jon. Quasi-mystical mumbo - jumbo rubbish. You may LIKE it, and you're allowed to, as others are allowed to DISLIKE it. It is art, after all. *** - the obscenity filter on the forum censored this, not me. ;-)
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Davesax1965
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Posted: November 16 2015 at 08:10 | |
Plus. How exactly do you translate something which is basically, a word picture, into Chinese ?
Can be done, I suppose. Given enough headache pills. ;-) |
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emigre80
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Posted: November 16 2015 at 08:47 | |
I really, really like Jon Anderson's lyrics, particularly Gates of Delirium, The Remembering and Ritual. also all the others.
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dr wu23
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Posted: November 16 2015 at 09:15 | |
^It's interesting that you think Siddhartha (from an award winning Nobel author) is Rubbish, yet Anderson's lyrics aren't......
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