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SFAS - Novella - Scheherazade/Ashes - Cards/Prologue for me.  Cards was at one point my favourite.  Boy, has it slid down the pecking order.
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interesting.  Side 2 of cards is utter perfection to me.  I love that Gothic feel in Black Flame and Cold is Being, and then Mother Russia, which is perhaps their greatest studio moment.   Guess what their greatest live moment is?  It has to do with the "windy city"  Clap
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Ha ha, yup, Ashes are burning at Park West. Wonder if the Park West is still alive. I guess the Capitol, NJ is no more?
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The Capitol was demolished in 1991, but the Park West is still a going concern




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Ah, I wondered because they don't seem to perform at Park West anymore.  
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Ah, I wondered because they don't seem to perform at Park West anymore.  

I am not sure how often they are going to Chicago anymore.  Their tours have tended to be focused on the Northeast, a swath from Boston down to maybe as far south as DC.  They want to travel more extensively in the US I think but probably they have been doing it all by car, which gets harder as you go west and south where interested parties may be fewer and farther between.

edit:  looks like the 2010 tour was the last time they were in Chicago, and it was at "Park West".  It was with Steve Hackett.  Interestingly, on that tour, they were generally special guests of Steve Hackett but at Park West they were co-headliners.  They were also at Milwaukee and Cleveland, both midwestern cities, on that tour

They have been to Florida a few times and also Atlanta, but nothing out west in US since they reformed and started touring




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Saw them in Newark in August....lovely theater in a rough neighborhood (then again, what in working class northern Jersey isn't "rough" anymore).  The band sounded great....well-rehearsed and out to prove they're still relevant.  Of course, the death of John Tout took away from the soul of the band but didn't rob them of momentum and their signature sound.  I hope this mini-renaissance continues.....Annie still has (most of) it!
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I just checked out the performance of Captive Heart in the PA concert, 97.  Tesar did a good job but took lots of short cuts, skipped a fair few notes in the intro.  He is not far off on touch, which I'd have thought would have been more difficult to emulate, but kind of simplified it.  There isn't any recorded live version of this track with JT playing on it.  I don't know if they ever did perform it in the 70s; was always a bit awkward at the chorus where Annie harmonizes with Annie in the studio recording.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I just checked out the performance of Captive Heart in the PA concert, 97.  Tesar did a good job but took lots of short cuts, skipped a fair few notes in the intro.  He is not far off on touch, which I'd have thought would have been more difficult to emulate, but kind of simplified it.  There isn't any recorded live version of this track with JT playing on it.  I don't know if they ever did perform it in the 70s; was always a bit awkward at the chorus where Annie harmonizes with Annie in the studio recording.

same thing with "Closer than Yesterday" from ASFAS.  I don't know if they ever did it live.  Likewise it doesn't appear that they ever did "Kindness and the End" or "She is Love".  Considering that they tended to very heavily promote their current albums throughout the 1970s, it is surprising that only 5 of the 8 tracks appear to have been played live.
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Yeah, I guess there have never been requests to perform Closer than yesterday. Still surprising that they never performed it in the 70s.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Yeah, I guess there have never been requests to perform Closer than yesterday. Still surprising that they never performed it in the 70s.

I suppose it's possible that they did play it, but the Annie backing Annie would have been a challenge.
I think it's a lovely song and, like the all music guy alluded to, it was appealing in ways that were mostly new for the group.  I have read some comparisons to Abba.  I actually quite like Abba TBH, but to me this doesn't sound like them.  More like something Heart would have done as a ballad
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What is the Park West concert you speak of? I've got Carnegie and Dreams and Omens, plus two boots from 1976 and 1979 - John Tout actually uses a Mellotron in some spots on the latter recording.
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Renaissance AND Curved Air in the same concert!!!

My dream just come true!!! There is any good english soul that would give shelter to a desperate brazilian boy!?!?! Big smile
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Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Renaissance AND Curved Air in the same concert!!!

My dream just come true!!! There is any good english soul that would give shelter to a desperate brazilian boy!?!?! Big smile

when and where is that happening?
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

Renaissance AND Curved Air in the same concert!!!

My dream just come true!!! There is any good english soul that would give shelter to a desperate brazilian boy!?!?! Big smile

when and where is that happening?
https://www.facebook.com/RenaissanceTouring/photos/a.140075256032061.18953.138243849548535/1063500747022836/?type=3&theater
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Originally posted by fudgenuts64 fudgenuts64 wrote:

What is the Park West concert you speak of? I've got Carnegie and Dreams and Omens, plus two boots from 1976 and 1979 - John Tout actually uses a Mellotron in some spots on the latter recording.

is the video - it was a TV show on a local Chicago station

There is also a CD Live in Chicago 1983
According to rogerthat, a DVD was released in Japan

There is some debate as to whether they did the whole of Ashes are Burning or just the end part.  The concert was only 40 mins so maybe they did the whole thing plus other tracks, or maybe the concert had a series of local bands doing a 40 minute spot.  To me this is the best vocal on the closing to Ashes.  There is New Jersey one that may rival it in histrionics but with this one you can see Annie in action.
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^^ In the joy created by the news I totally forgot to put a link. LOL

Man, how I envy you first world guys and your great concerts. Tongue
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

I suppose it's possible that they did play it, but the Annie backing Annie would have been a challenge.
I think it's a lovely song and, like the all music guy alluded to, it was appealing in ways that were mostly new for the group.  I have read some comparisons to Abba.  I actually quite like Abba TBH, but to me this doesn't sound like them.  More like something Heart would have done as a ballad

Yeah, I like ABBA too.  There are some Ren songs from that period - esp Bonjour Swansong and also ermm Electric Avenue - which evoke ABBA but not Closer than Yesterday for me.  Too pastoral to sound like ABBA.  In the whole multi-tracking/Annie over Annie harmonising phase they used to evoke Yes a lot more than they ever did ABBA but I guess Annie's timbre brings Agnetha to mind for some listeners in a loose sense like 'high pitched melodic female singing'.
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Re Park West, yeah skip right to the end for Ashes are burning because some of the stuff in between may not be too appetizing.  It seems odd that the version is abbreviated because they have always done a full and in fact extended performance of Ashes are burning from the 70s to the present day. More likely it was edited for TV.  Shame!
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And this is the New Jersey performance that Ken mentioned.  Full performance and maybe a shade better than Chicago but pity about the video quality and the camera focuses on that rotating ball for the 'meat' of the performance though we do get to see Annie as she unleashes that vocalise from hell at just over 18:30 in the vid. 
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