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Kazza3 
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 Topic: RESULTS!! - Ultimate PA Album List 2016Posted: January 26 2016 at 21:19 |
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Over the past two months, 29 users have submitted lists of their favourite albums of all time,
totaling 3990 entries, consisting of 2374 unique albums by 1379 unique artists. To these albums 282359 points have been awarded, and over the next week or two, we're going to find out where those points have fallen, answering the question: what is the Progarchives Forum's favourite album of all time for 2015/16?? Get. Hyped. (Except sublime220, who is probably already hyped enough.)
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Kazza3
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Posted: January 26 2016 at 21:20 |
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A teaser:
400. AC/DC - Let There Be Rock 399. Spock's Beard - The Light 398. Electric Light Orchestra - A New World Record 397. U2 - War 396. Ween - Pure Guava 395. Iron Maiden - Somewhere in Time 394. Supertramp - Even In The Quietest Moments 393. Current 93 - All The Pretty Little Horses 392. Today Is The Day - Sadness Will Prevail 391. The Comsat Angels - Sleep No More 390. Siouxsie and the Banshees - The Scream 389. Marillion - Afraid of Sunlight 388. Pain of Salvation - Entropia 387: Jethro Tull - Stand Up 386. Tiger Lou - A Partial Print 385. Stereolab - Dots and Loops 384. Fen - Epoch 383. The Enid - In The Region of the Summer Stars 382. Astor Piazzolla - New Tango, Zero Hour 381. Rayeula - Rayeula 380. Devin Townsend - Terria 379. Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun 378. Harold Budd - The Pavilion of Dreams 377. Nik Turner - Xitintoday 376. Jean-Michel Jarre - Zoolook 375. The Tangent - The Music That Died Alone 374. Alice Cooper - Welcome To My Nightmare 373. Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz To Come 372. Clearlight - Clearlight Symphony 371. Midnight Oil - Diesel and Dust 370. Camel - Breathless 369. Dream Theater - A Dramatic Turn of Events 368. Biglietto Per L'Inferno - Biglietto Per L'Inferno 367. Dredg - El Cielo 366. Mother Gong - Fairy Tales 365. Sin Dios - Guerra a la Guerra 364. Cosmograph - The Man Left In Space 363. Rush - Permanent Waves 362. Al Stewart - The Year of the Cat 361. Lynyrd Skynyrd - Second Helping 360. Van Halen - 1984 359. Steely Dan - Countdown to Ecstasy 358. Robert Calvert - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters 357. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew 356. Area - Arbeit Macht Frei 355. Acid Mothers Temple - Absolutely Freak Out 354. Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons 353. Metamorfosi - Inferno 352. Gazpacho - Night 351. Pharoah Sanders - Karma 350. Peter Hammill - The Fall of the House of Usher 349. Presto Ballet - The Lost Art of Time Travel 348. Mastodon - Crack the Skye 347. Transatlantic - Kaleidoscope 346. Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly 345. Tracy Chapman - Tracy Chapman 344. Gong - Flying Teapot 343. Eskaton - 4 Visions 342. Blue Oyster Cult - Secret Treaties 341. Zamla Mammaz Manna - Familjesprickor 340. Andrew Lloyd Webber - Jesus Christ Superstar 339. Discipline - Unfolded Like Staircase 338. Quella Vecchia Locanda - Quella Vecchia Locanda 337. Nirvana - In Utero 336. Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun 335. Anathema - The Silent Enigma 334. Caravan - If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You 333. Santana - Caravanserai 332. Goblin - Roller 331. Savatage - Dead Winter Dead 330. Anthony Phillips - The Geese and the Ghost 329. Spock's Beard - V 328. Franco Battiato - Pollution 327. Queen - Sheer Heart Attack 326. The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin 325. Pain of Salvation - One Hour by the Concrete Lake 324. Gentle Giant - Three Friends 323. Radiohead - Amnesiac 322. Herbie Hancock - Sextant 321. David Bowie - Aladdin Sane 320. The Comsat Angels - Waiting for a Miracle 319. Gryphon - Red Queen to Gryphon Three 318. Jane's Addiction - Ritual de lo Habitual 317. Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery 316. The Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat 315. Big Big Train - English Electric I 314. Pain of Salvation - Be 313. U2 - Boy 312. Delirium - Delirium III (Viaggio tra gli arcipelaghi del tempo) 311. Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath 310. IQ - Frequency 309. Dream Theater - Awake 308. The Outlaws - The Outlaws 307. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III 306. Cynic - Traced in Air 305. Henry Cow - In Praise of Learning 304. My Dying Bride - Turn Loose The Swans 303. Nas - Illmatic 302. White Willow - Terminal Twilight 301. Death Grips - The Money Store Edited by Kazza3 - January 27 2016 at 20:09 |
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Kazza3
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Joined: November 29 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 557 |
Posted: January 27 2016 at 05:07 |
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Before you all flood the topic with anticipation, I've also got something to say on the subject of how the points will be calculated. It'll be a little different to previous occasions on this board, when the system employed was #1 = 200pts, #2 = 199pts and so on, because experience with this kind of thing on other boards has suggested that that's not the best way to do it and here's an example of why:
Imagine you have five people submitting lists. Four of them vote #1 Shannon Noll's 'That's What I'm Talking About' , while all five vote for T. Swizzle's '1989' at #30. If we're trying to determine which albums are the collective favourites of the five surely Shazza, with near-unanimous #1s, should place higher than Taylor? Nope. Taylor gets 5 x 170 = 850, while Shannon gets 4 x 200 = 800, and is robbed of his glory again, just like on Australian Idol. The point is, with the above method the points awarded stay so high for so long, and decrease so slowly, that the positioning of albums in the lists doesn't really matter that much- what matters is just how many times they've been listed at least somewhere; ie emphasising albums that are at least liked by the vast majority over people's favourites. The solution to this, as employed by other boards I've been to, is to apply a curve such that the points given drops off more quickly at the top of the rankings, giving the top more weight- in our case, such that #50, our minimum number of entries for a list, receives about 100 points instead of 150, and continues on from there. Now, before you complain, I actually tested all this out with the data from one of the previous tournaments prior to beginning this one, and it doesn't actually make all that much difference- albums might be shifted around a bit, but largely remain around the same ranking (and, in fact, the top 10 of this tournament is identical either way...), which really suggests that what the vast majority of us like and what many of us rank highly are largely the same. But it makes me feel better, and will make things slightly more accurate and more interesting. Feel free to ask questions if you have any. |
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emigre80
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 07:25 |
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Iappreciate your explanation of the methodology. Most of us are probably geeky enough to get it.
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sublime220
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 08:25 |
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PURE GUAVA MADE IT! HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE
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There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 08:27 |
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Henry Cow - IPOL didn't even crack the top 300!! It's a shamockery.
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Ian
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Lewian
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 10:41 |
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So I'd think that a single nomination can get an album in the top 400 -
I'm pretty sure I was the only one who had Astor Piazzolla - New Tango,
Zero Hour on my list, at rank 3, and that gave it rank 385 overall.
Comsat Angels - Waiting for a Miracle appeared on one other list apart from mine, I think on both lists somewhere between 30 and 70, and that brings it to rank 323. Just to get a feel for how much it takes... Thanks a lot for the work! Edited by Lewian - January 27 2016 at 10:42 |
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Kazza3
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 15:27 |
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The 200 point mark was reached at #358-352, so everything after that obviously requires at least two votes; but most of the albums before it in the top 400 have more than one vote as well (since the ones that don't have to have been ranked #4 or higher to make it so far). Dean was the other user who voted for Waiting for a Miracle, and the ranks were 32 and 58, so spot on.
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Magnum Vaeltaja
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 15:34 |
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Love how the list is looking so far. Very eclectic! It's also very amusing to see where albums rank exclusively because of how I rated them. i.e. Rayuela, any southern rock album
 Thanks for undertaking this Kazza3 and I highly anticipate the top 300!
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when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents
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Kazza3
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 18:26 |
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Let's begin. The comparisons on the right are to the last tournament in 2009- seeing as I only have access to the top 400 of that tournament, 'unlisted' means the album didn't appear in that 400 (and has effectively risen by a whole bunch). Also noted are albums released since entries closed for that competition (March 2009). The rankings are pretty jumpy this far down the list, where a single vote could drastically change an album's position, but will get less so as we go on. 300. Television Marquee Moon 226
pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09 299. Queensryche Operation
Mindcrime 227
pts 2 votes ▲ 2 since 09 298. Magma - Magma 228.3
pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
297. Soundgarden Superunknown 228.8
pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
296. Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite 228.9
pts 2 votes ▼ 69 since 09
295. Univers Zero Clivages 229.3 pts 2 votes Released after 09
294. Renaissance Novella 229.6 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
293. My Bloody Valentine Loveless 231.8 pts 2 votes ▲ 50 since 09
292. Ash Ra Tempel Join Inn 231.9 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
291. Rage Against The Machine Rage Against The Machine 232.1 pts 4 votes ▼ 6 since 09
290. Arcade Fire Funeral 232.2 pts 3 votes ▼ 161 since 09
289. Ween Chocolate and Cheese 232.3 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
288. Dave Brubeck Quartet Time Out 232.4 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
287. Traveling Wilburys Traveling Wilburys, Vol. 1 232.7 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
286. Judas Priest Sad Wings of Destiny 234.2 pts 4 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
285. Jefferson Airplane After Bathing At Baxters 234.4 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
284. Tears for Fears Songs from the Big Chair 236.3 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
283. Nirvana Nevermind 236.8 pts 3 votes ▲ 41 since 09
282. The Rolling Stones Beggars Banquet 237 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
281. Ihsahn After 237.1 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
280. Vangelis Blade Runner OST 237.2 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
279. Henry Cow Western Culture 237.3 pts 3 votes ▼ 77 since 09
278. Karnivool Sound Awake 238 pts 2
votes Released after 09
277. Emerson, Lake and Palmer Tarkus 240 pts 3 votes ▼ 207 since 09
276. Neu! Neu! 241 pts 3 votes ▼ 5 since 09
275. David Sylvian Gone to Earth 242 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
274. Van der Graaf Generator World Record 243 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
273. Tears for Fears The Seeds of Love 245 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
272. Faust Faust 247 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
271. Al Stewart Past, Present and Future 248 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
270. Le Orme Uomo di Pezza 248.6 pts 3 votes ▼ 61 since 09
269. Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young Dιjΰ vu 249 pts 4 votes ▼ 76 since 09
268. Pearl Jam Ten 249.5 pts 3 votes ▼ 106 since 09
267. Popol Vuh Hosianna Mantra 250 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
266. David Bowie Space Oddity 250.4 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
265. Mike Oldfield Amarok 250.7 pts 2 votes ▼ 34 since 09
264. The Amazing Gentle Stream 251 pts 2 votes Released after 09
263. The Beatles Help! 252 pts 4 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
262. Tears for Fears The Hurting 254 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
261. Huey Lewis and the News Sports 254.3 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
260. maudlin of the Well Leaving Your Body Map 255 pts 3 votes ▲ 113 since 09
259. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum Of Natural History 255.5 pts 2 votes ▼ 65 since 09
258. Museo Rosenbach Zarathustra 256.1 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
257. Guapo Five Suns 256.4 pts 2 votes ▲ 38 since 09
256. Gentle Giant Gentle Giant 258 pts 4 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
255. Hawkwind Hall of the Mountain Grill 258.1 pts 4 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
254. John Coltrane Giant Steps 260.2 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
253. Opeth Orchid 260.6 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
252. Crowded House Woodface 260.8 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted in 09
251. Genesis Wind & Wuthering 261.3 pts 2 votes ▼ 152 since 09 Edited by Kazza3 - January 27 2016 at 18:29 |
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Polymorphia
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 18:39 |
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Marquee Moon is both 300 and 303? I'm reading something wrong.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 19:28 |
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Stickied.
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Kazza3
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 20:03 |
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Right, I knew I'd forgotten something. Obviously to compile the list I had to sort through everything like spelling errors, inclusion of a 'the' prefix, acronyms, etc, so that points for an album weren't split and so on, and I thought I'd done that thoroughly. While writing out 300-250 I discovered a couple of errors that I'd missed, where artists had done albums by the same name and the points had been added together. So by fixing that, everything behind them was bumped up a few ranks, and I had forgotten to edit the teaser. Sorry!
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BrufordFreak
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 20:19 |
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I had Zero Hour on my list.
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Drew Fisher
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 20:22 |
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Damn, Tarkus and Wind & Wuthering took pretty significant falls.
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Ian
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emigre80
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I think I was the only one who included Tracy Chapman's self-titled first album on my list, and it made the top 400. It was 22 on my list, so pretty high up.
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Kazza3
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 20:57 |
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250. The Decemberists The Crane Wife 261.5 pts 4 votes ▲ 19
249. David Bowie Hunky Dory 262 pts 4 votes ▲ Unlisted
248. David Bowie Heroes 263 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
247. Kate Bush The Dreaming 263.1 pts 2 votes ▲ 58
246. Heart Dreamboat Annie 263.9 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted
245. Jimi Hendrix Are You Experienced? 264 pts 4 votes ▼ 111
244. The Rolling Stones Exile on Main St 265.4 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted
243. Mahavishnu Orchestra The Inner Mounting Flame 265.5 pts 3 votes ▼ 183
242. Ayreon The Human Equation 266 pts 3 votes ▼ 94
241. Boston Boston 267 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
240. Bent Knee Shiny Eyed Babies 269 pts 3 votes New release
239. Pink Floyd The Division Bell 270 pts 2 votes ▼ 47
238. Blind Faith Blind Faith 270.3 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted
237. Yes Magnification 271 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
236. Jethro Tull A Passion Play 272 pts 6 votes ▼ 121
235. David Sylvian Secrets of the Beehive 274.1 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
234. Roger Waters Amused to Death 274.5 pts 5 votes ▲ Unlisted
233. Sonic Youth Daydream Nation 275 pts 2 votes ▲ 39
232. David Bowie Station to Station 276.5 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
231. Frank Zappa One Size Fits All 276 pts 3 votes ▼ 143
230. Cardiacs Sing to God 277.8 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
229. Camel The Snow Goose 277.9 pts 5 votes ▼ 157
228. Boards of Canada Geogaddi 281 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted
227. Transatlantic Bridge Across Forever 282 pts 2 votes ▼ 64
226. Simon & Garfunkel Bridge Over Troubled Water 283 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
225. Discipline To Shatter All Accord 283.6 pts 4 votes New release
224. Guru Guru Kanguru 284 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
223. The Alan Parsons Project Tales of Mystery and Imagination 286 pts 4 votes ▼ 19
222. Univers Zero Ceux du Dehors 288 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
221. Lou Reed Berlin 288.7 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted
220. Muse Absolution 289.3 pts 4 votes ▼ 41
219. Sufjan Stevens Illinois 289.4 pts 4 votes ▼ 18
218. Porcupine Tree The Sky Moves Sideways 291.3 pts 2 votes ▼ 57
217. Peter Gabriel Peter Gabriel II (Scratch) 291.8 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted
216. Spocks Beard Snow 291.9 pts 2 votes ▲ 55
215. Dream Theater Scenes from a Memory 292.2 pts 2 votes ▼ 191
214. Renaissance Scheherazade and Other Stories 292.6 pts 4 votes ▼ 93
213. Godspeed You! Black Emperor Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas
To Heaven 293 pts 4 votes ▼ 107
212. Tool Lateralus 294 pts 4 votes ▼ 165
211. Radiohead The Bends 295 pts 4 votes ▲ Unlisted
210. The Beatles Magical Mystery Tour 297 pts 4 votes ▼ 55
209. Hatfield and the North Hatfield and the North 297.3 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
208. Joni Mitchell Don Juans Reckless Daughter 297.5 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted
207. Wishbone Ash Argus 299 pts 3 votes ▲ Unlisted
206. Cervello Melos 299.8 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted
205. Hatfield and the North The Rotters Club 299.9 pts 4 votes ▼ 30
204. Manfred Manns Earth Band Nightingales and Bombers 304 pts 2 votes ▲ Unlisted
203. Peter Hammill The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage 304.1 pts 4 votes ▼ 83
202. Metallica -
And Justice For All 304.9 pts 4 votes ▼ 31
201. The Beatles A Hard Days Night 305 pts 4 votes ▲ Unlisted |
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Kazza3
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 21:04 |
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Tamijo ranked it #94- a single #22 ranking would've placed it around 640.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: January 27 2016 at 21:10 |
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Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory dropped 191 to 215, wow top 20 to outside top 200.
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emigre80
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Tamijo ranked it #94- a single #22 ranking would've placed it around 640. [/QUOTE]
oh, I missed that. It makes more sense now.
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