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Topic: Dream Theater - A Nightmare To Remember Posted: February 16 2016 at 07:03
Okay, here is my dilemma. I'm in the middle of an argument over at dreamtheaterforums.org about MPs vocals in the song A Nightmare to Remember. During the "day after day" part, he's singing with harsh vocals. At the end when he does the "HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" part, I'm arguing that it's a growl, but I'm being told it's anything but a growl. I think there are different kinds of growling vocals. I want some opinions here because if it's not a growl then what the hell is it?
Yes, it's a stupid argument to have but there was a reason why it came into play.
You're right, there are different kinds of growls. There can be higher pitched ones as heard in Death and low guttural ones like in a band like Nile. However, the vocals in the DT song really aren't growls, they are just harsh vocals. Portnoy's vocals in that song I would probably compare to a band like Pantera, so gruff but not a growl.
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Posted: February 16 2016 at 21:06
Rednight wrote:
Forget about all that - what's with all those pictures of the broad?
That's Natalie Dormer. My future wife...I mean Queen Margaery from Game of Thrones.
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You're right, there are different kinds of growls. There can be higher pitched ones as heard in Death and low guttural ones like in a band like Nile. However, the vocals in the DT song really aren't growls, they are just harsh vocals. Portnoy's vocals in that song I would probably compare to a band like Pantera, so gruff but not a growl.
Hope this gives you a good idea of growl vocals.
Thanks for the input.
Well my main question was regarding the "sound" he makes after he sings, not actually the lyrics themselves. Do you to what I am referring?
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Posted: February 17 2016 at 10:12
Finally saw the 'Theater on Paladia the other month and, after all the hoopla beforehand, was rather under impressed. Great, great musicianship thrown away by one mediocre singer. That guy belongs in a metal band, really. As a non-fan looking to have something of theirs, I just want to know what is the go-to album from their early days.
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Posted: February 17 2016 at 13:38
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Hold your ground and keep telling them it's a growl......That'll keep them pissed off for some time!
The argument already ended. I just wanted to get an unbiased opinion.
Rednight wrote:
Finally saw the 'Theater on Paladia the other month and, after all the hoopla beforehand, was rather under impressed. Great, great musicianship thrown away by one mediocre singer. That guy belongs in a metal band, really. As a non-fan looking to have something of theirs, I just want to know what is the go-to album from their early days.
Images and Words from 1992 Metropolis Part 2 from 1999
Those are always the two I tell people to start with.
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Posted: February 17 2016 at 14:42
Prog Snob wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Hold your ground and keep telling them it's a growl......That'll keep them pissed off for some time!
The argument already ended. I just wanted to get an unbiased opinion.
Rednight wrote:
Finally saw the 'Theater on Paladia the other month and, after all the hoopla beforehand, was rather under impressed. Great, great musicianship thrown away by one mediocre singer. That guy belongs in a metal band, really. As a non-fan looking to have something of theirs, I just want to know what is the go-to album from their early days.
Images and Words from 1992 Metropolis Part 2 from 1999
Those are always the two I tell people to start with.
Your suggestions have been noted and will be exercised upon (and I like the picture in the middle).
"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Posted: February 17 2016 at 17:32
Rednight wrote:
Finally saw the 'Theater on Paladia the other month and, after all the hoopla beforehand, was rather under impressed. Great, great musicianship thrown away by one mediocre singer. That guy belongs in a metal band, really. As a non-fan looking to have something of theirs, I just want to know what is the go-to album from their early days.
I assume you saw that Breaking Walls or something like that.....They only show a portion of that DVD. If you can find the DT Score 20th Anniversary DVD, that is pretty good. They used to show that one on Paladia couple years ago.
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Posted: February 17 2016 at 21:30
Catcher10 wrote:
Rednight wrote:
Finally saw the 'Theater on Paladia the other month and, after all the hoopla beforehand, was rather under impressed. Great, great musicianship thrown away by one mediocre singer. That guy belongs in a metal band, really. As a non-fan looking to have something of theirs, I just want to know what is the go-to album from their early days.
I assume you saw that Breaking Walls or something like that.....They only show a portion of that DVD. If you can find the DT Score 20th Anniversary DVD, that is pretty good. They used to show that one on Paladia couple years ago.
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Posted: February 20 2016 at 08:21
I remember reading years ago, on the Mike Portnoy forums, that Mike recorded multiple takes of that line, one of the times was an actual death metal growl, deep and guttural. He posted the clips on the forum thread. There was another one was a very gritty Portnoy vocal, less aggressive than what made it to the album. Couldn't tell you where that is on the forum, if those clips are still even online (they probably are.)
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Rednight wrote:
That's Natalie Dormer. My future wife...I mean Queen Margaery from Game of Thrones. 
