Learning about music industry - the essentials |
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Dayvenkirq
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Topic: Learning about music industry - the essentials Posted: March 08 2016 at 19:52 |
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I'm going back to Reno, NV (since things did not work out here in Port Orange, FL), and I'm seriously thinking about starting a project of my own (solo or band) and get into the music industry. I see no other path, quite honestly (I'm single-minded that way, unfortunately); I have very specific goals. That is why I resolved to be more dedicated and organized and change my habits. In fact, when I'm done writing (God knows when), recording, mixing (and maybe even mastering the songs) for something like an EP, I'll give you guys a little taste of the product because I really need us much feedback as possible. For the past few days I've been doing intensive research on the music industry, and I feel like I don't know nearly enough about booking shows, affordable and reliable equipment,management, PR rep, etc. What I'm asking is this: is there a place where they teach you the works? What is the least every start-up artist should know about recording, mastering, marketing, distribution, promotion, and gigging? Do you really have to do all the heavy lifting? (I just want to make sure I don't do too much?) Is coming to workshops and taking marketing classes really necessary? What is the most effective way of becoming a part of the indie music community (artists/listeners) worldwide? Soundcloud? Should I come up with a reasonable business model or let someone else do it? Will gigging around your local town be worth it even if the people there don't get your music? (If someone who hasn't heard my work may think it's good, I don't want to be discouraged by the lack of good response from the people who have.) I figured that in order for music to sell, it should somehow evoke human interest. (Don't people pay for skill and originality/personality/imagination?) It looks like I'm only skimming the surface at this point. I felt that instead of doing research on the Web and getting info that way, some of which might be dubious, I should discuss this complex matter with a real, live person (like a producer, whenever those people have the time for a 25-year-old fresh face). I figured that I've wasted much of my youth (some ten years), albeit you may tell me that's no big deal, so at this point I'm playing catch-up, compensating for the time lost. I feel that also puts me at a disadvantage of not being well-conditioned and resourceful enough; I have no serious musical education (I taught myself); I'm in debt (though I have a way of coming up with a couple of thousand in a few months); the Reno music scene is rich with punk, metal, and dad-rock acts*, not experimental/folk/post-rock/avant acts; I don't have a voice (I guess I'll have to pay for a vocal class in college or get a permanent singer); and I have no connections. By the way, if you give me tons of information in massive paragraphs, I will absorb it. (There is do, there is no try.) If not, then at least point me in the right direction. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Are people really that interested in hearing new music? I guess it depends on where you perform and get some reaction. I thought social media could help me break those geographical boundaries.
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 64350 |
Posted: March 08 2016 at 20:07 | |
As I imagine you know, it's a long haul no matter what stratagems you use. Look at someone like Lady Gaga; brilliant and unique and yet she gigged in NY for years, finally getting some regular bookings where a fanbase could develop. A place that teaches you the works? No not really, but there are places like Musicians' Institute in L.A. that instruct on the business end of music as much as the technical one - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musicians_Institute I attended it for the standard year course and though I never became a successful musician, I did become a very accomplished one, and M.I. helped with that. Hell just living in Los Angeles for a year was educational. Horrible, but educational. |
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Dayvenkirq
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 25 2011 Location: Los Angeles, CA Status: Offline Points: 10970 |
Posted: March 08 2016 at 20:14 | |
^ I figured L.A. must be nice: Julia Holter, Harold Budd, Steely Dan, high crime, and pollution.
Joking aside, that means travel, food, shelter, and tuition and fees. Man. I may have to spend a year or two ($810/month might not be nearly enough) without thinking that I'm wasting time. I actually know a guy who is in a huge debt, but slowly paying it off, although I am wondering whether or not it's really a good idea to put yourself in such a position. I probably should have to look for entry level jobs in music business.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 08 2016 at 20:20 | |
That' may be true, sometimes it's hurry up and wait. I mean look: if you're gonna more or less do rock, you don't necessarily have to be formally educated, in fact it's probably still frowned upon in private by some to be a "trained musician". On the other hand, take Steve Vai who got his gig with Zappa by being exactly that: a well-trained and knowledgeable young guy who could sight read no prob and could play with others like a machine. He was well cast as the Devil in Crossroads.
You create your own opportunities, however that manifests itself. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Polymorphia
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 06 2012 Location: here Status: Offline Points: 8856 |
Posted: March 08 2016 at 22:21 | |
This was my music industry textbook, if that helps.
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DDPascalDD
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 06 2015 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 856 |
Posted: March 09 2016 at 03:30 | |
These questions are exactly the things I kind of worry about. I'm not nearly as far as you, but I'll follow with many interest.
Can't give you any tips though I'm afraid...
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 09 2016 at 10:32 | |
The industry is constantly changing so this book gets updated once every couple of years. With that in mind you may want to wait a month or so for the 1st revision of the 11th edition to be published.
A text book will give you a good foundation of what to do and what to expect but it cannot prepare you for what is actually out there, which from experience I can tell you is a few brief highs and an awful lot of disappointment. Fortunately because music is such an affirming medium those highs compensate for all the lows if you have the self-determination to persevere at it. And perseverance is the key here, each time you get knocked-back, let-down or ripped-off you have to pick yourself up, chalk it down to experience and move on. I'll relate my experiences as an ex-Band Manager and Gig Promoter rather than as a Recording Artist because I've never been interested in making a name for myself as an artist so I kept that side of things just as a sideline for my own amusement. While this is most definitely out-dated and bears little relevance to the current music business, I present it here as an illustration of the amount of effort needed to keep moving forward and to show that success is relative and depends upon how you measure it.
So there you have it - I have no idea how many free-hours or how much out-of-pocket expenses I donated to the cause but I know it was a hell of a lot. And I almost killed half the band when my car aquaplaned on the M25 driving back from a gig late one night and on another occasion did £1000 worth of damage to the hire van I'd just returned to the depot at 2 in the morning because I was too tired to de-ice the rear window when reversing it into the yard. But was it worth it? Hell yeah. Would I do it again, Hell no. The bottom line here is the bit I emboldened at the beginning. There are no guarantees of anything in this business and the only true reward is the appreciation of others. When people like what you do that keeps you striving on. Good luck.
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JD
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18371 |
Posted: March 09 2016 at 11:57 | |
^I'll ditto that, substituting several bands I've worked with. A very familiar tale. My suggestion, decide what your end game is. If it's to become the next Indie sensation I'd say, good luck and off you go. If on the other hand your end game is to have a successful and rewarding career in the music industry then I'd offer this...
-Become proficient and knowledgeable on whatever instrument you favour. Multi-instrumentalist?? Focus on your main instrument and become flexible on the other ones that will support the music you want to make. There's little point in becoming a strong xylophone player if you want to make Indie music. -Network, join clubs or organizations that support or produce music of all kinds. this is where you'll build the base for the remainder of your career. -Listen to peoples feedback. Not everyone is going to love your music but try to keep an open mind as to why they don't if you can find out. Maybe it's just a genre thing, but then again, maybe they don't like the tonality of the guitar or the enunciation of the vocals. Can these things be adjusted without compromising the integrity of your music. -Join the musicians union if you haven't already and pay your dues. That should get you a pension at retirement that will always be welcome. -Be prepared to not get where you want as fast as you want, but never give up. -Never be afraid to walk away from a bad situation, it can do irreparable damage for a very long time and derail your whole career if you don't There are thousands of tidbits to be garnered from all kids of resources. With all the items you listed in your original post, it could take a lifetime of experiences to learn all the answers. To make it more digestible maybe ask a few questions on a specific topic that your dealing with and let us help you step by step. Remember...What's the easiest way to eat an elephant?? One bite at a time! |
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 09 2016 at 22:44 | |
Thank you, JD, and especially you, Dean, for the words of encouragement and advice.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 11 2016 at 01:52 | |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 11 2016 at 04:31 | |
Classes tend to be very specific for example "Music Business Management" courses are aimed at industry professionals so will go into great detail about every aspect of the management side of the industry (contracts & law, finance & accounting, personnel management & employment, artist development & promotion, public relations, events management etc.), but won't cover the technical or artistic side at all; "Music Production" courses are aimed at studio engineers so won't cover the business or artistic side; And creative courses (Music Theory, Song Writing, etc,) won't cover production or management. If you were studying any of these at degree level then there would be course options in the other subjects but you would be looking at 3 years full-time study there.
I suspect what you want would be a general class that covers everything without getting into the esoterica or several short-courses or workshops in each aspect. Such things exist in the UK and are relatively inexpensive (less that £200) but I couldn't find similar classes in the USA for some reason (maybe Google simply returned search results based on my location). |
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JD
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18371 |
Posted: March 11 2016 at 06:56 | |
Up here, in the Great White North, not only do we have a dreamy PM, we also have...
http://metalworksinstitute.com/ An independent music business education facility. A bit expensive and highly concentrated, but very well tailored for anyone wanting to become a music professional. Or... https://www.fanshawec.ca/programs-and-courses/program/mia2-music-industry-arts/next-year If you want an 'established' education facility. These are always good options. Edited by JD - March 11 2016 at 06:57 |
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 12 2016 at 02:00 | |
^ and ^^ - I guess I'll have to start looking for options at UNR (University of Nevada, Reno) since I can't afford to lodge and travel at some other place ... like San Francisco, LA, NYC, or Las Vegas and study there at more prestigious places ... but a man can dream, right?
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 17 2016 at 21:10 | |
Back to you, folks, with some research I've done on the Internet (not like I know a real person in Reno who's actually been very successful in the music business).
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One thing before I go on: I have not yet ordered the book Polymorphia suggested as I'm currently in the process of moving to a permanent residence here in Reno, NV, which means that I can't make the mailing of merch sent to me any more complicated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It appears that there's a lot of information regarding the business, the different kinds of contracts, the different kinds of deals, etc. (See http://gov.texas.gov/music/guides/tmlp/tmlp_contracts/ .) As I understand, I have to read all of it and get all of it in order to understand what it is that I'm supposed to do and be on the right track to success. I'm 25 and, quite frankly, I'm actually worried whether or not a small indie label will sign up, say, a 30+ -year-old who is still trying after years of gigging with a band. Not sure if that's good for the image. Moreover, recently I've been mulling over how to do business with a small label long-distance. I guess the only channels we have available are the act's website and social media. If you'd like to know more about the research I've done on the topic, just find me on FB under my name, "Andrey Gaganov". Stay tuned. Comments? Thoughts? Edited by Dayvenkirq - March 17 2016 at 21:17 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 17 2016 at 21:34 | |
The simple truth is you either want to do music always, all of the time, or you don't. If you do, then why do anything else; If you don't, then get out now . Besides, music will always be a part of your life whether you succeed or not.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 17 2016 at 21:37 | |
^ Guess I'll have to keep trying for the rest of my life, if that's what it takes (regardless of my image or that of my soon-to-be band).
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 17 2016 at 22:14 | |
Forgot to mention: another one of my many concerns is whether a person should move to a big city and find the right people to make solid community connections there before recruiting musicians for help/collaborations and purchasing his live equipment (so as to save the time and the hassle of moving from place to place).
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brainstormer
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Posted: March 20 2016 at 22:38 | |
That was my book, about ten years ago. My teacher was in the Heart spinoff band, The Love Mongers, and she really knew her stuff. The book is in it's 9th edition, and you can probably get the version I had for 1c and postage. It's really great.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 20 2016 at 22:51 | |
^ Thanks for the tip.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: April 07 2016 at 15:16 | |
^^ As luck would have it, a producer here in Reno recommended that same book. I ordered it yesterday and am supposed to get it tomorrow. In fact, I purchased two more, just to get a perspective from more than one person on that one.
Now for the updates: - I've started a set of social media files (as would be expected), though I don't have any demo-quality material worth putting up on them, so I'm working on that. I have refrains for some songs ready because if you don't have a refrain, you may not have a song. Sort of a conventional songwriting rule. - I've signed up for a vocal class that is a five-week package. One class per week at the date and time of my choice (Sat., 100pm), five consecutive weeks. I don't want to bother with semesters. They are longer, pricier, and not that flexible. The vocal lesson pack is $299 + tax. I've also purchased a mic, a mic stand, a mic cable, a set of studio monitors, the 1/4" TRS cables for the stereo output to the monitors, and a pair of headphones. (I already had an interface and USB for powering it up.) The equipment altogether is $475 and a change + tax - 5% student discount. Learning more about input/output, the different kinds of cables, frequency ranges, what's too bassy or too trebley, the hissing reduction process, and ... well, there's more to learn for me. Most of the stuff is Yamaha-brand. And I'm still sticking with Audacity. - I've already recorded my first song, "The Emerald Bell", but the style of it is just not me. (Too much information from Nick Cave on that one. Too punky and not sufficiently melodic. And the vox are just crap.) That is why I'm not divulging the name I'm going by on SoundCloud ... yet. - I'm planning on moving to Los Angeles in 12 months (or more). My mother has gone away for Newport Beach, CA to get some training in cosmetics sales, and she says that there are many people there who complain that it's really expensive to live there. Like that's gonna scare me somehow. Edited by Dayvenkirq - April 07 2016 at 15:18 |
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