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    Posted: May 09 2016 at 18:57
   was watching old looney tunes cartoons this morning on C.N. they aired old porky pig cartoon and part
of the music was an almost exact duplicate riff  from middle part of RUSHS LA VILLA STRANGIATTO.
Coincidence or calculated? I've heard this riff on many other L.T. cartoons. Just curious.
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Points: 197 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2016 at 19:38
It's a quote of "Powerhouse" by Raymond Scott, often used as incidental music in cartoons.

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Points: 20451 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2016 at 19:40
  Don't know if it was this but Raymond Scott did most of the music in the old Loony Toons shorts.
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Points: 898 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2016 at 20:19
Thank you for sharing these. Of course, having been a child of the 60's I immediately recognize these. Great to finally know who actually did them. For the record, I think this is fantastic stuff.
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^ Then you'll love this -
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32932

David Bagsby Happy Hour for a Pack of Screaming Monkeys - The Music of Raymond Scott album cover

and this -

The Music Of Raymond Scott: Reckless Nights And Turkish Twilights
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Points: 92 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2016 at 07:01
The story is that Rush did include that part of Raymond Scott's "Powerhouse" intentionally. Later the Scott estate tried to claim copyright infringement but the statute of limitations had passed. Nevertheless, Rush and management felt it was the right thing to do to offer some monetary recompense. That's the version I read.
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Points: 14717 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2016 at 07:27
Actually Raymond Scott created his own music the 30s and 40s and Warner Bros caught wind of it but it wasn't Scott who did the actual music for the Looney Tunes. They utilized the reinterpretive talents of Carl Stalling who basically incorporated the main gist of Scott's swing jazz style and added all the other sound effects.

Check out my review for Scott's compilation "Reckless Nights And Turkish Twilights" at JMA

I also mentioned the connection on the Rush album in my review here

Rush only used that one little riff. The more i listen to a wider range of music the more i hear "rip-offs" in all kinds of places but as long as it's short and not the main theme of the track i write it off as a sort of tribute. "La Villa Strangiato" is clearly not built around this Raymond Scott riff.
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Rush used more than a riff, they used an entire passage.  If Rush did pay the Scott family for using it, that makes me respect them even more.
 
By the way, this tribute:
is fantastic.
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Points: 14717 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2016 at 09:43
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:


Rush used more than a riff, they used an entire passage.  If Rush did pay the Scott family for using it, that makes me respect them even more.
 
By the way, this tribute:
is fantastic.



Fair point. But it's still a little riff with variations that creates the passage which serves more as a bridge than a verse or chorus. I agree that if they paid royalties they should be commended but it should also be known that Scott sold off the rights to his music and wouldn't have been the recipient of any payoffs. Warner Bros would have gotten them
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Then you'll love this -
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=32932

David Bagsby Happy Hour for a Pack of Screaming Monkeys - The Music of Raymond Scott album cover

and this -

The Music Of Raymond Scott: Reckless Nights And Turkish Twilights

Thanks. Just downloaded The Music of Raymond Scott. Great stuff...
 


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Points: 898 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2016 at 15:56
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Check out my review for Scott's compilation "Reckless Nights And Turkish Twilights" at JMA

Nice review. Thank you...
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Points: 5482 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2016 at 14:06
Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:


Rush used more than a riff, they used an entire passage.  If Rush did pay the Scott family for using it, that makes me respect them even more.
 
By the way, this tribute:
is fantastic.



Fair point. But it's still a little riff with variations that creates the passage which serves more as a bridge than a verse or chorus. I agree that if they paid royalties they should be commended but it should also be known that Scott sold off the rights to his music and wouldn't have been the recipient of any payoffs. Warner Bros would have gotten them
 
Unless Rush somehow recorded and publishes La Villa Strangiato prior to 1964, the royalties would not have hone to WB.  http://raymondscott.net/faq/   "Scott’s US publishing is no longer owned by WB, the renewal rights having been acquired in 1964 by Music Sales Corp."
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Points: 1281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2016 at 14:45
On a slightly related note, I think parts of the song use a slowed down version of the main riff from the Ramones' "Blitzkrieg Bop".
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Points: 14717 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2016 at 21:11
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:


Rush used more than a riff, they used an entire passage.  If Rush did pay the Scott family for using it, that makes me respect them even more.
 
By the way, this tribute:
is fantastic.



Fair point. But it's still a little riff with variations that creates the passage which serves more as a bridge than a verse or chorus. I agree that if they paid royalties they should be commended but it should also be known that Scott sold off the rights to his music and wouldn't have been the recipient of any payoffs. Warner Bros would have gotten them
 
Unless Rush somehow recorded and publishes La Villa Strangiato prior to 1964, the royalties would not have hone to WB.  http://raymondscott.net/faq/   "Scott’s US publishing is no longer owned by WB, the renewal rights having been acquired in 1964 by Music Sales Corp."

You so right. In that case Music Sales Corp would have gotten the royalties, not the Scott dynasty
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Points: 497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2016 at 23:25
Wasn't Carl Stalling more responsible for the WB loony Toons music?
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Points: 64338 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2016 at 00:07
^ Stalling wrote the bulk of the background music, but Warner owned the descriptive jazz-band themes of Ray Scott which they used liberally.
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