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Posted: July 23 2016 at 10:40
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 11:28
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
are these vocals out of kilter?
Edited by BaldJean - July 23 2016 at 11:37
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 11:42
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
Conversely, why drive prospective listeners away with annoying, excuse me, 'eccentric' vocals? The point of this exercise is to get non-prog listeners into the genre. You don't want to drive them away thinking you're a crazy person for forcing them to listen to something that is definitely an acquired taste, like eating roasted crickets or deep-fried banana slugs.
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 11:46
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
Conversely, why drive prospective listeners away with annoying, excuse me, 'eccentric' vocals? The point of this exercise is to get non-prog listeners into the genre. You don't want to drive them away thinking you're a crazy person for forcing them to listen to something that is definitely an acquired taste, like eating roasted crickets or deep-fried banana slugs.
you have obviously never tasted roasted crickets. they are not an acquired taste at all, they are simply delicious. you are just prejudiced against them
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 11:51
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
Conversely, why drive prospective listeners away with annoying, excuse me, 'eccentric' vocals? The point of this exercise is to get non-prog listeners into the genre. You don't want to drive them away thinking you're a crazy person for forcing them to listen to something that is definitely an acquired taste, like eating roasted crickets or deep-fried banana slugs.
you have obviously never tasted roasted crickets. they are not an acquired taste at all, they are simply delicious. you are just prejudiced against them
On the contrary, I've had chococlate covered ants, roast cricket and grasshoppers, turtle soup, alligator and other various oddities. It's just that, with so many excellent things to eat, I see no reason to try them again.
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 11:57
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
Conversely, why drive prospective listeners away with annoying, excuse me, 'eccentric' vocals? The point of this exercise is to get non-prog listeners into the genre. You don't want to drive them away thinking you're a crazy person for forcing them to listen to something that is definitely an acquired taste, like eating roasted crickets or deep-fried banana slugs.
you have obviously never tasted roasted crickets. they are not an acquired taste at all, they are simply delicious. you are just prejudiced against them
On the contrary, I've had chococlate covered ants, roast cricket and grasshoppers, turtle soup, alligator and other various oddities. It's just that, with so many excellent things to eat, I see no reason to try them again.
then why the hell do you consider toasted crickets to be an acquired taste? I am quite certain that if a hundred blindfolded people were given roasted crickets to eat ninety of them would say "delicious". they are definitely not a taste you have to get used to (contrary to, for example, beer)
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 12:03
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
Conversely, why drive prospective listeners away with annoying, excuse me, 'eccentric' vocals? The point of this exercise is to get non-prog listeners into the genre. You don't want to drive them away thinking you're a crazy person for forcing them to listen to something that is definitely an acquired taste, like eating roasted crickets or deep-fried banana slugs.
you have obviously never tasted roasted crickets. they are not an acquired taste at all, they are simply delicious. you are just prejudiced against them
On the contrary, I've had chococlate covered ants, roast cricket and grasshoppers, turtle soup, alligator and other various oddities. It's just that, with so many excellent things to eat, I see no reason to try them again.
then why the hell do you consider toasted crickets to be an acquired taste? I am quite certain that if a hundred blindfolded people were given roasted crickets to eat ninety of them would say "delicious". they are definitely not a taste you have to get used to (contrary to, for example, beer)
Who said they were delicious? I tried them. I never will again. I'm sure a blind taste test wouldn't suddenly drive the demand for buying cans of crickets to eat at the next football game. Now slugs? Maybe.
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 12:13
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
Conversely, why drive prospective listeners away with annoying, excuse me, 'eccentric' vocals? The point of this exercise is to get non-prog listeners into the genre. You don't want to drive them away thinking you're a crazy person for forcing them to listen to something that is definitely an acquired taste, like eating roasted crickets or deep-fried banana slugs.
what is in your opinion so eccentric about Hammill's vocals? it the lyrics are "I start to shriek" then "shriek" HAS to be shrieked; anything else would in my opinion be eccentric. and yet things like this are what Hammill is usually criticized for by those who don't like his vocals
Edited by BaldJean - July 23 2016 at 12:14
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 12:17
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
Conversely, why drive prospective listeners away with annoying, excuse me, 'eccentric' vocals? The point of this exercise is to get non-prog listeners into the genre. You don't want to drive them away thinking you're a crazy person for forcing them to listen to something that is definitely an acquired taste, like eating roasted crickets or deep-fried banana slugs.
what is in your opinion so eccentric about Hammill's vocals? it the lyrics are "I start to shriek" then "shriek" HAS to be shrieked; anything else would in my opinion be eccentric. and yet things like this are what Hammill is usually criticized for by those who don't like his vocals
Honestly, Jean, I just can't stand his vocals. I tried, really I did, but I can't stand listening to him. I've always said I'd buy instrumental VdGG albums because musically I like them - just mask Hammill.
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 12:27
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
Conversely, why drive prospective listeners away with annoying, excuse me, 'eccentric' vocals? The point of this exercise is to get non-prog listeners into the genre. You don't want to drive them away thinking you're a crazy person for forcing them to listen to something that is definitely an acquired taste, like eating roasted crickets or deep-fried banana slugs.
what is in your opinion so eccentric about Hammill's vocals? it the lyrics are "I start to shriek" then "shriek" HAS to be shrieked; anything else would in my opinion be eccentric. and yet things like this are what Hammill is usually criticized for by those who don't like his vocals
Honestly, Jean, I just can't stand his vocals. I tried, really I did, but I can't stand listening to him. I've always said I'd buy instrumental VdGG albums because musically I like them - just mask Hammill.
well, de gustibus non est disputandum. but you make me curious now - what do you consider to be good vocals?
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 12:40
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hmmm...gateway albums. Not too proggy with 20+ minute magnum opuses (like TAAB, Foxtrot or CttE), and certainly nothing that would scare someone away simply by off-kilter vocals alone (like VdGG or Comus, for instance). Ease them in slowly and then hit 'em with a f*cking sledgehammer.
Trick of the Tail (accessible but very fusion-like compositionally, with some balladry and acoustics thrown in)
Dark Side of the Moon (probably the most accessible Floyd album, with excellent lyrics and memorable songs)
Aqualung (probably one of the best blends of acoustics and hard rock ever attempted, with sly lyricism to boot)
Crime of the Century (so pleasant, you're unaware its prog)
I Robot (again, you can actually hum along to some prog, maybe even dance with 2 left feet)
VdGG vocals are not out of kilter at all; they go perfectly along with the lyrics. the so-called "beautiful vocals" are in my opinion often out of kilter. what is the point of singing beautifully about emotions that are anything but beautiful?
Conversely, why drive prospective listeners away with annoying, excuse me, 'eccentric' vocals? The point of this exercise is to get non-prog listeners into the genre. You don't want to drive them away thinking you're a crazy person for forcing them to listen to something that is definitely an acquired taste, like eating roasted crickets or deep-fried banana slugs.
what is in your opinion so eccentric about Hammill's vocals? it the lyrics are "I start to shriek" then "shriek" HAS to be shrieked; anything else would in my opinion be eccentric. and yet things like this are what Hammill is usually criticized for by those who don't like his vocals
Honestly, Jean, I just can't stand his vocals. I tried, really I did, but I can't stand listening to him. I've always said I'd buy instrumental VdGG albums because musically I like them - just mask Hammill.
well, de gustibus non est disputandum. but you make me curious now - what do you consider to be good vocals?
I suppose I could be a smart-ass and say "anyone singing other than Peter Hammill".
But honestly, there are just certain performers I simply don't like to listen to. Not in the same range as Hammill, of course, but Lou Reed, for instance, should have never been allowed to sing, even alone in his shower in the morning. Leonard Cohen is another one. Great lyrics, splendid, but his songs are better sung by someone else. But again, that isn't really fair to Hammill, who actually has range beyond monotone. I just don't care for Hammill's delivery and pitch. That's all.
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Posted: July 23 2016 at 12:51
OP: an impossible yet, obviously, highly personal task. I'd go with your original gut choices.
(Though I'd definitely choose Fragile over CTTE or TYE as an introductory album--because of its diversity; and I might choose Dark Side or even Animals over WYWH, but, then, that, again, is me.) (P.S. Why does Rush get to be included in a "classic" prog list when they arrived very late to the scene? And why not a non-English-speaking album à la RPI or Krautrock? So tough!)
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Posted: July 25 2016 at 07:39
I think that most of the "classical period" Genesis albums including SEBTP are quite uneven, and I'd rather use their 1973 "Live" album, which is much more consistent in presenting highlights only; also some people (like me) tend to prefer the less polished live sound more generally when done well, and therefore it may be good to have one live album in the collection. (And I think that this reasoning may apply to newbies just as well.)
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