Steven Wilson Insurgentes 2016 remaster |
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javajeff
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Topic: Steven Wilson Insurgentes 2016 remaster Posted: October 31 2016 at 16:04 |
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Does the 2016 Remaster version sound much different? Any better? If anyone has this new remaster, your insight is appreciated. Thank you!
Edited by javajeff - October 31 2016 at 17:59 |
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Barbu
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Posted: October 31 2016 at 20:46 | |||
2016 rem of a 2008 release. lol
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zravkapt
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Posted: October 31 2016 at 21:24 | |||
Well, the new version sounds the way he really wanted it to sound.
A friend of mine has a cassette recording of the both of us at age 13 (him on guitar, me on vocals). I've been meaning to send it to Stevie boy so he can make it sound the way we intended it to. |
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Kotro
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2809 |
Posted: November 01 2016 at 03:08 | |||
The original sounds fine by me.
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Bigger on the inside.
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Dean
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 03:33 | |||
Has the master of remasters run out of things to remaster so like the ouroboros he is now devouring his own tail?
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What?
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Pastmaster
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Posted: November 01 2016 at 11:21 | |||
"Hmmm...I wonder what I can do to make even more money that I don't deserve? I've already exhausted my stealing of famous prog bands's work. I know! I can just remaster my own albums which don't need remastering!"
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Valen
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Posted: November 02 2016 at 05:41 | |||
Yes - it sounds better. Not as loud and compressed, and a much more enjoyable listen on headphones.
Probably not an essential purchase unless you're a completist.
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Catcher10
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Posted: November 02 2016 at 09:24 | |||
The 2016 reissue is remastered by SW and he has taken care of the compression issues of the original 2008 issue. The new version is said to have corrections for loudness across the album, giving way to more dynamics in highs and lows meaning quiet and loud parts, rather than just loud all the time.
I have the original 2008 CD as well as the 2009 vinyl version and even with the vinyl there is a much better difference to my ears, I will not get the 2016 CD, cause CDs are krapp . If you only have the 2008 CD and feel it is brickwalled to your ears then the 2016 reissue should take care of that. At least he did not issue it as a 25 disc package with 5 versions of every song both studio and live and a 50 page hardback book with 4 DVDs and charge you $300......It's a £8.00 CD.
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Meltdowner
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Posted: November 02 2016 at 09:40 | |||
I still don't have the album but I'd prefer getting the CD/DVD version, since I have all the following albums on Blu Ray. I bought the boring documentary with the same name by mistake, some months ago, I thought it was the album
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 02 2016 at 13:04 | |||
You'd think he would have gotten it right the first time. There's too much good stuff going on in prog for me to get it.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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JediJoker7169
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 05 2009 Location: West Coast, NA Status: Offline Points: 195 |
Posted: November 02 2016 at 17:14 | |||
Precisely. It's not like the original sounds terrible, but it is fairly squashed:
Compare that to the new master:
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JediJoker7169
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Posted: November 02 2016 at 17:27 | |||
My suggestion, for the curious: listen to the new remaster on Spotify and compare it with your 2008 CD/download. You will need to either turn up the Spotify stream or turn down the old CD/download to make a fair comparison (loudness matching). If you can't hear a difference or can but don't like it, this new remaster is not for you. If you can and you like what you hear, it might be worth it to you. I know it is to me. You can even buy it as a CD-quality lossless download here (and elsewhere, probably at at least one online store available in your country). (Also available as a 24-bit/96kHz download here.)
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javajeff
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 01 2009 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 467 |
Posted: November 03 2016 at 03:28 | |||
Steven Wilson Insurgentes on Amazon CD does not state 2016 remaster. I would really hate to buy the old master. The copyright year states 2016, but I wish they would be more precise.
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SteveG
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Posted: November 03 2016 at 04:15 | |||
I'm waiting for the next year's ultimate limited edition deluxe remixed 350 gram vinyl remaster pressed with 24 carrot gold plated molds that are actually pressed by Steven Wilson himself. Can't wait.
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Dean
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Posted: November 03 2016 at 05:38 | |||
This is over-hyped pseudo-scientific bollocks.
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What?
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Catcher10
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Posted: November 03 2016 at 09:14 | |||
I bet if some label would do this for the Fab Four catalog it would sell out in seconds!! The previous 800 reissues of their albums in both mono and stereo would be considered rubbish
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Barbu
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Posted: November 03 2016 at 10:48 | |||
An Hand Cannot Erase remaster before that pleeease. |
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JediJoker7169
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Posted: November 03 2016 at 17:04 | |||
No, it isn't. I'm an audio engineer with a degree in psychology and I can tell you point-blank that it is not pseudo-science, it is not over-hyped, and it is not bollocks.
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Catcher10
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Posted: November 04 2016 at 09:30 | |||
I think there is merit in the DR numbers, I use it as a guide but not a shopping guide. I mean if I want the album I am going to buy it anyway. Since I am 99% LP records I don't suffer from the "loudness wars" or the listener fatigue that can plague digital playback.
I am old enough to know the difference having grown up on LP records, cassette/R2R tape...then comes along digital (CDs, music files) and now heavy back to LP records, for me there is a noticeable difference. I have done it countless times, meaning sit and spin my records all day long into the night 6-7 hours and never feel ear fatigue, headaches or the like.....YMMV. Looking at the DR database on this particular album it makes sense to me, the 2008 CD version DR6, Vinyl issue DR11, I hear the difference on my system. What probably needs to be scrutinized is the measuring process of this database, maybe that is what Dean is pointing out....dunno. |
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SteveG
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Posted: November 04 2016 at 11:07 | |||
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