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SteveG 
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 Topic: So why did Hilary lose?
Posted: November 12 2016 at 05:03 |
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My take is the Dem's slow but progressive disassociation with the white working class in the middle American states. With the email debacle helping. What's your take?
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EddieRUKiddingVarese
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 05:47 |
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A name like Hillary is only good for climbing mountains....????
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Dean
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 05:58 |
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Because half the country couldn't be bothered to get off its fat arses to vote?
Edited by Dean - November 12 2016 at 06:02
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micky
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 06:10 |
yep.... she lost because she got 7 million less votes than Obama in 2012.... 2016 saw the fewest Americans vote in 2 decades.. that is the problem Democratic candidates have always faced... they have the numbers... but the other side has the passion. Fear and hate are powerful motivators man... she couldn't match.. or even approach it seems... the level of enthusiasm Obama generated. That was always her weakness... a brilliant mind... a soul of gold.. but the public personality of a rock.. 
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 07:39 |
 EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:
A name like Hillary is only good for climbing mountains....???? |
Even then, it is not a guarantee for reaching the top anymore  .
Edited by someone_else - November 12 2016 at 07:40
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 07:41 |
someone_else wrote:
EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:
A name like Hillary is only good for climbing mountains....???? |
Even then, it is not a guarantee for reaching the top anymore . |
hahahha
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 08:12 |
Dean wrote:
Because half the country couldn't be bothered to get off its fat arses to vote?
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There is, of course, absolutely no guarantee that said lard arses would have voted for herself.
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 08:43 |
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-25/why-hillary-clinton-cannot-beat-donald-trump
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SteveG
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 08:59 |
Dean wrote:
Because half the country couldn't be bothered to get off its fat arses to vote?
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If I lived in this type of middle American squalor, I don't think I'd get of my arse and vote for Dems either.
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 09:30 |
SteveG wrote:
Dean wrote:
Because half the country couldn't be bothered to get off its fat arses to vote?
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If I lived in this type of middle American squalor, I don't think I'd get of my arse and vote for Dems either. |
 Where's this by the way?
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 09:47 |
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She was a boring candidate.....Thats why all those voters stayed home and are now protesting.
Also those stupid pant suits turned people off...Women don't wear those things.
I also think all those dems that stayed home never intended to vote for Hillary but wanted the Bern.....When the dems ousted him, their choice was made for them...no Bern no vote.
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 09:49 |
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SteveG
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 09:54 |
rogerthat wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Dean wrote:
Because half the country couldn't be bothered to get off its fat arses to vote?
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If I lived in this type of middle American squalor, I don't think I'd get of my arse and vote for Dems either. |
Where's this by the way? |
Akron, Ohio. But many other former "Boom towns" such as Detroit and it's suburbs, for example, look like much the same as do the Rust Belt state's abandoned steel towns. There's a lot of ugly in America.
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 10:03 |
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The Hillary i see in docus from the 80s isent the sam Hillary i see in the election, she is a metamorph.
Edited by Icarium - November 12 2016 at 10:03
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 10:03 |
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People are tired of the status quo. As I've stated elsewhere, these are without a doubt the two worst candidates ever foisted on the American public. Brash Trump represented a lie for change that had more resonance, even among Republican voters (who brusquely broomed out political hacks like Cruz, Rubio and Bush) than Clinton's lies of the same old same old variety. Both were tainted and terrible alternatives. In such a way are demagogues elected.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 10:15 |
Her general unpopularity, the email stuff, Trump's populist rhetoric.
It really is that simple. As OP mentions, the Dems have long been losing touch with their working class bloc. Trump's hammering trade, jobs is just what the rust belt wants to hear, and Clinton is weak in that area. She also is the example of "insider" politics which people are just fed up with.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 10:18 |
Working class voters came out hard from Trump, but also millennial support for the Dem candidate fell from 2012,and independents broke hard for Trump. She is also, for reasons that are both legitimate and not, very unpopular.
.....If only there was a guy who was popular, with support from the working class, youth and independents. Dang shame no one like that revealed themselves this campaign.
Lessons for the future, Democrats best take notes.
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Dean
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 10:45 |
Probably. And there's a poll "somewhere" that said whatever you want to believe, and that is hilarious. The point is when any candidate wins the popular vote but loses the election it means that voter turnout played a major role in the result. The USA is one of the countries with the lowest voter turnout in the world and this year it is the lowest it's been for 20 years (some of the people who couldn't be arsed to vote this time weren't even born then). Apathy means that the more motivated population dictates what everyone else gets to put up with.
So yeah, that's hilarious, Trumpton won because a quarter of the eligible voters managed to scrawl an "X" by his name. Brilliant.
Edited by Dean - November 12 2016 at 11:28
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 11:15 |
American people have been yearning for a non-lawyer to lead the country. What if a business man could do better? Most if not all politicos have been lawyers and I think that this reality played a larger role than, say the fact that she was a woman. Look at the base criticism: Trump: arrogant, brash and defiant Hillary: shifty, crooked and false That was the perception that made him win and her lose.
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Posted: November 12 2016 at 13:17 |
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Because she was a terrible and unpopular candidate.
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So why did Hilary lose?
