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Posted: December 16 2016 at 10:48
The main melody from Starless is reworked from the Bolero section of Lizard. Listen to the oboe lines around 5:20-6:00 in Lizard and you should hear what I mean.
when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents
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Posted: December 16 2016 at 12:25
From the first time I heard it, 0:38 (it shows up elsewhere in the song) of Memento Z Banalnym Tryptykiem...
sounded like a composition from The Snow Goose. Particularly the last nine seconds of Fritha, but it may show up elsewhere. Not sure if I'm mad or there's actually a similarity.
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Posted: December 16 2016 at 20:51
I haven’t seen the Allman
Brothers/Camel connection come up too often, but the former clearly influenced
the latter’s early material.Play In Memory
of Elizabeth Reed back-to-back with Lady Fantasy if you don’t believe me.
The central piano riff in A
Christmas Camel by Procol Harum was almost certainly inspired by the one in
Ballad of a Thin Man by Bob Dylan.
The chord sequence in Hawkwind’s
Wind of Change has gotten a lot of use, such as in Runaway by Del Shannon.
Edited by AreYouHuman - December 16 2016 at 21:41
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Posted: December 16 2016 at 21:37
AreYouHuman wrote:
I haven’t seen the Allman
Brother/Camel connection come up too often, but the former clearly influenced
the latter’s early material.Play In Memory
of Elizabeth Reed back-to-back with Lady Fantasy if you don’t believe me.
Oh man, our stars must be aligned or something (figuratively, of course; I don't actually believe in astrology). I've been thinking that Andrew Latimer must have been a huge Allman Brothers fan for the longest time!
You can definitely hear similarities between a lot of early Camel material and Liz Reed. Six Ate and Curiosity really spring to my mind, with the light jazzy feel that all of them share in the melodies and soloing department. Another one that's always stood out to me is the 4/4 symphonic section in live versions of Whipping Post. It sounds just like something that would have been thrown on Mirage.
when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents
There is some really obscure song from the mid seventies by an artist from either Spain or South America who had a song that had a part that sounded pretty much identical to part of the song "Life's been good" by Joe Walsh(the "my maserati does 185 I lost my license now I don't drive" and the other parts that sound like it). I really can't remember who the Spanish singing artist or group is but it's pretty obscure.
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Posted: December 20 2016 at 19:42
Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:
AreYouHuman wrote:
I haven’t seen the Allman
Brother/Camel connection come up too often, but the former clearly influenced
the latter’s early material.Play In Memory
of Elizabeth Reed back-to-back with Lady Fantasy if you don’t believe me.
Oh man, our stars must be aligned or something (figuratively, of course; I don't actually believe in astrology). I've been thinking that Andrew Latimer must have been a huge Allman Brothers fan for the longest time!
You can definitely hear similarities between a lot of early Camel material and Liz Reed. Six Ate and Curiosity really spring to my mind, with the light jazzy feel that all of them share in the melodies and soloing department. Another one that's always stood out to me is the 4/4 symphonic section in live versions of Whipping Post. It sounds just like something that would have been thrown on Mirage.
I’m a Gemini myself.And I don’t give a darn!
But yeah, that Camel/Allmans
similarity should be obvious to anyone who’s actually paying attention and isn’t
tone-deaf, which would include (so-called) critics for Rolling Stone.Back in the 1980s, they put out their
so-called Record Guide, which was apparently designed for the extremely
gullible and easily led.Their entry for
Camel “covered” only Mirage, Snow Goose and Moonmadness in one short paragraph,
which showed so abundantly that this yutz must have given each album only the
most cursory listen, overlooking the aforementioned similarity and
already had a bias against “that kind” of music, labeling the band as a “low-rent
Moody Blues.”Yeah, I know, consider the
source.
That’s stuck in my craw for years
and I just had to get it off my chest.
Moving on…the Itchy and
Scratchy/Magma comparison above brings to mind how the Grobschnitt song “The
Excursion of Father Smith” contains a bass riff that has always had me singing
along with it “Flintstones, meet the Flintstones…”
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Posted: December 26 2016 at 23:21
Oh, Thomas, I was only being snarky, but Tom Ozric knows my passionate dislike for that song! Years and years ago when I was younger I worked in a supermarket, and they had these tapes that would replay on relay in-store every day or two, and that song would constantly show up, although I had no idea what it was (this was also pre-internet/Google, so no luck there!). I'd be like `What is this plinky-plonky crap, so chirpy and pretty?!', and that jangly acoustic guitar!! It drove me CRAZY! It was only years later that I was able to do an internet search for the lyrics that it came up, cue me - `WHAT?!'
Heh, I hadn't heard the `Rumours' album at that point, but oddly I did have the double `Tusk' and quite enjoyed it. It would have been pretty funny if I'd decided to grab `Rumours' at some point and been casually listening and then suddenly it came on....pretty sure my mind would have shut down to protect itself! I'd be like `Ohhh, son of a.....'
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Posted: December 28 2016 at 02:36
I don't know if I'd even consider them a bad band in that pop period, Tom. I mean, not very interesting (at least for many of us prog-snobs!), but they've enjoyed death by complete and utter radio over-exposure over the decades, though to be fair they were pretty good commercial pop/rock songs. I just thought their albums from that period sounded like compilations of different bands as opposed to one single group. I've only ever had the double `Tusk' album from that period and always thought it was occasionally great, but I wouldn't have listened to it in about twenty years at this point, and can't say I have much interest in going back to it.
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AreYouHuman wrote:
Years and years ago when I was younger I worked in a supermarket, and they had these tapes that would replay on relay in-store every day or two, and that song would constantly show up, although I had no idea what it was (this was also pre-internet/Google, so no luck there!). I'd be like `What is this plinky-plonky crap, so chirpy and pretty?!', and that jangly acoustic guitar!! 
It drove me CRAZY! It was only years later that I was able to do an internet search for the lyrics that it came up, cue me - `WHAT?!'