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    Posted: February 09 2017 at 17:44
The Ego on the rocks album is very cool and unique and goes with the time in its own way. It has clearly some late 70s/early 80s influences but uses them well. I love the concept, the compositions, the keyboards and drumming (their key skills), even the lyrics (which I fairly generally tend to ignore), although it wasn't quite a true masterpiece because a better singer and Matze on bass were missing. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2017 at 17:14
Originally posted by Cosmiclawnmower Cosmiclawnmower wrote:

Ive just dug out my vinyl copy of 'Ego on the rocks- Acid in wounderland'.. what a fantastic lp; i found it on import back in the very early 80's after a tip from an old scouse buddy.. with all the voices and 'cut-ups' between and within the tracks, it is very trippy and quite different from what Eloy were doing in 1980.

I also dug out my copy of the first Eloy lp (Trash-can) on Phillips.. it is a very different sort of lp, early 70's heavy rock- more political lyrics and a harder, rougher edge. I dont really know much about its genesis or how/why they changed their style.. i havent really played it a great deal. any thoughts?

I liked Ego on the Rocks well enough but haven't listened in a while.  The name was a jab at Frank Bornemann who, when those members were splitting off, referred to them as having big egos.

In the first LP Frank was a more minor member.  I don't think he sang and he may also not have been the main writer.  The leader(s) left and he took over, and the rest is history.  I'm not a big fan of the album but it has some good moments;  then that is true of even the weakest Eloy albums, well except maybe Destination!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2017 at 15:06
Ive just dug out my vinyl copy of 'Ego on the rocks- Acid in wounderland'.. what a fantastic lp; i found it on import back in the very early 80's after a tip from an old scouse buddy.. with all the voices and 'cut-ups' between and within the tracks, it is very trippy and quite different from what Eloy were doing in 1980.

I also dug out my copy of the first Eloy lp (Trash-can) on Phillips.. it is a very different sort of lp, early 70's heavy rock- more political lyrics and a harder, rougher edge. I dont really know much about its genesis or how/why they changed their style.. i havent really played it a great deal. any thoughts?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2017 at 01:31
I like almost every album Eloy did. The psychedelic ones, the symphonic ones, the spacerock ones, and even the mroe hardrock ones.
 
The 1979-1984 version of Eloy was very tight and could play circles around many of the then emerging neo-prog bands. Same goes for Saga (often cited as neoprog)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2017 at 17:52
How I wish I knew of the group in the early 1980s, but then I doubt they ever made it to America, and big trips were not in my consciousness (or budget) then
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2017 at 13:29
I'll look out for them!! it seems a long time ago (well, it was... and in a galaxy far far away too!). Of course they were released on 'Heavy metal worldwide' label in the UK and at that time there was quite a leap forward in guitar tech, pedals, effects as well as digital synths and that gave them a more 'modern rock' sound.. but i still found them very 'spacey' in their sound. and i actually really like performance and metromania.. at the same time (one of my other long time favourite bands) Hawkwind were modernising their sound with a lot of digital sequencers and they were seen to be moving more to a 'hard-rock' sound away from space-rock but its just an inevitable movement with the times.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2017 at 01:38
^ both shows are available as bootleg (I have them both). The BBC-radio thing is very well produced.
Indeed these days they were more of hardrock band than a spacerock band. Shorter songs, two guitarists, a heavy metal drummer etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 15:54
I first heard Eloy do a BBC radio session for Tommy Vance roundabout 1981 (?).. 2 tracks from 'Performance', 'Out of a sombre galaxy' (from time to turn) and a track from 'Planets' (though i cant remember which one); i taped it off the radio (LOL) at the time and had it for years (though lost it at some point- i have seen an over-priced, presumably unofficial, CD of these sessions on Ebay).. they did play a couple of nights at the Marquee club in 1983 (i think, ive looked for my ticket stub but cant find it..) which i seem to remember were booked then cancelled then re-instated. I cant remember much detail to be honest (that was my fault..Confused) but it was very cramped on stage with two keyboard set-ups etc as well as in the crowd and the set was mostly 'Performance' with tracks from Planets and time to turn. I think at the time they were 'lumped in' with many of the 'Neo-prog' bands and as a lot of people hadnt heard of them, assumed they were a relatively new band.. i had got a few of the older lps on 'Conifer Import' (Colours and Ocean) on German Harvest label.. but of course they had a tightness and confidence which stunned a lot of people (who were expecting something like IQ or Twelfth Night). Many years later i made contact with someone else who was at the gig and was selling their fully signed picture disc of Performance, which i duly bought!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 02:05
^ with the exception of Ra, Eloy Always had some very good drummers.

I like Bodo Schopf and Jim McGilivray aswell. Fritz Randow is more a metaldrummer, but his drumming on Time to Turn is truly amazing...

I agree I like Jurgen Rosenthal. His feel and sound is truly wonderful. He is much more than just a drummer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2017 at 01:56
I had a listen to Poseidon's Creation from Eloy Live this morning. Jurgen has some serious chops. Pity he couldn't have stayed with the band a bit longer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2017 at 07:44
Inside and Floating are different kind of spacerock. Similar to what Jane was doing those days.
I can understand why the other Eloy albums sound so different.

For me, I like the Dawn album so much and I love the synth-driven spacerock that followed. I love synths more than organs I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2017 at 05:48
I like the old Eloy albums like "Inside" and "Floating" best. I think after "Dawn" they became too pompous. the German accent of Frank Bornemann is horrible though, so the vocals make me wince


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2017 at 01:23
I agree that Destination is their weakest album.
It was my second. I first bought Planet and was sold. I liked Destination because of it's heavy metal approach.
But there's only a handful of songs that really stuck with me; Eclipse of Mankind is really one of the best songs they ever did. Fire and Ice, Prisoner in Mind, Call of the Wild are decent hardrocktracks (love the flute in Call of the Wild), but the album also has the weakest tracks they ever did: Silent Revolution is really silly.

Destination also has the first Jeane d'Arc song. On The Tides Return Forever, there's the second part, called Company of Angells.

The biggest problem with Destination and Ra is the voice of Frank. His falsetto(?) is really used too much and it's a pain to listen to.
On Ocean 2 and Tides Return Forever and Visionairy he uses his normal voice again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2017 at 18:21
Codename Wildgeese is like a Tangerine Dream album without Edgar Froese, i.e. it was recorded by Hannes Arkona, Hannes Folberth and Klaus-Peter Matziol. I like it, though!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2017 at 16:22
Good to see an Eloy thread - I don't know anyone else who actually likes them (or has even heard of them), so it's interesting to read this and see whether everyone else's views reflect my own.
 
First encountered them when Ra came out.  Loved both the music and the cover art and played the album to death.  Metromania followed, and I thought it was absolutely stunning.  I grew up on keyboard-driven 80s pop, so unsurprisingly, it's the run of albums from Colours through Metro that I think of as being Eloy's peak.
 
Also very fond of Dawn and Silent Cries from the 70s, though apart from the debut album I do like all of them from that decade, too.  Not sure why anyone would rate Ocean as the best of them, but the first half of Decay and the sheer epic feel of Atlantis' Agony make it well worth having.
 
Think their post-Ra output is rather patchy, though.  Destination is the sole Eloy LP missing from my collection - I really couldn't get into it at all, and thought it was all style and no substance.  Willing to give it another go if I can find a copy, though - Fire & Ice (from Chronicles II) is pretty decent.  Tides Return was a superb release, though, as was Ocean 2.  Massively disappointed by Visionary, so I'm glad there's a new LP in March so they don't go out on a whimper.
 
I have Codename Wildgeese too, but it's not really a proper Eloy album.
 
Deeply envious of everyone who's seen them live, especially in the 80s.  I never have - if they ever pop over to England, I'll be there like a shot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2017 at 11:26
^That's why gatefolds are so awesome. This isn't the Tangerine Dream thread, but some of the images in TD's '70s gatefolds complemented the music very well, a really Yin & Yang dynamic there...!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2017 at 02:18
I mean: when spaceing out to Eloy, while reading the lyrics, this beautiful landscape really comes to life:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2017 at 02:13
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Kingsnake Kingsnake wrote:


 
But I like the conceptalbums of Eloy better. The Wall is too pretentious for me and Animals too political.
I like the naive mythological and space themes of Eloy.
 

I know this is the Eloy appreciation thread but I'm with the Floyd on this one. However...
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The drums and bass of Eloy are far superior. 

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Absolutely no problem to prefer Floyd over Eloy. That's what discussions are for.

In my opinion Floyd and Eloy have this spacey synth-sound and spacey guitar sound. I like to dream away to the music. But Eloy takes me to other planets and mystical landscapes.
Floyd just keeps me in the English country, with Animals and The Wall. Shine on You Crazy Diamond would have been more awesome if it had fantasy or sci-fi lyrics.

But it doesn't matter though, I can always play The Apocalypse or Planets or Dawn to take me to other planets.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2017 at 16:07
Originally posted by Kingsnake Kingsnake wrote:


 
But I like the conceptalbums of Eloy better. The Wall is too pretentious for me and Animals too political.
I like the naive mythological and space themes of Eloy.
 

I know this is the Eloy appreciation thread but I'm with the Floyd on this one. However...
Originally posted by Kingsnake Kingsnake wrote:



The drums and bass of Eloy are far superior. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2017 at 12:33
I greatly prefer Eloy to Floyd.  Much more dynamic and less consistently cynical and downbeat.   I only wish the powers that be would have given them more exposure so I could have discovered them in the 1970s instead of the 1990s.
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