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    Posted: December 12 2016 at 04:38
For all things Eloy.
 
Let's dicuss this great band and its offshoots:
 
Detlev Schmidtgen (solo)
Ego on the Rocks (Jürgen Rosenthal and Detlef Schmidtchen) 
Echo Park (Jürgen Rosenthal, Jan Nemec, Klaus Peter Matziol, Hannes Folberth)
KPM (Klaus Peter Matziol with Hannes Arkona and Hannes Folberth)
Matze (Klaus Peter Matizol with Jan Nemec and Jürgen Rosenthal)
Wacholder (krautrock featuring Michael Gerlach)
Shade - Faust the Rockballett (Jim McGillivray, Klaus Peter Matziol, Hannes Arkona, Hannes Folberth, Jürgen Rosenthal and Jan Nemec)
 
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Can somebody explain to me why Ocean is considered better than Silent Cries... ? Is it the lyrics perhaps? After two listens I still don't get this album. Silent Cries... on the other hand is great.

Also, I've heard there's a new album coming out next year.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kingsnake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2016 at 04:12
I've always rated Silent Cries and Dawn higher than Ocean.
But that's my personal taste. Of course Ocean is a very special album; almost a blueprint of progressive spacerock.
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ask me 25 years ago - Eloy were the perfect accompaniment for any stoner session.........yes, Floating, Ocean, Silent Cries, Planets, Time To Turn..............just perfect..............
.......and to this day, Eloy are amongst my fave Psych/Space band........
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For the Eloy-albums Planets and Time to Turn, the recordlabels used different artworks. EMI/Harvest used the Winfried Reinbacher-pictures, while Heavy Metal Worldwide used Rodney Matthews-pictures for the UK-release. HM used a lot of stock-pictures for their releases, and for Eloy it worked well.
For Metromania they used a Matthews-cover worldwide.
 
As for Planets/Time to Turn both versions (Matthews and Reinbacher) are great, so I cannot really decide, wich one I like best. Here they are:
 
 
Planets
 
Time to Turn:
 
The LP's were divided in halfs; one half as frontsleeve and one half as backsleeve.


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The cover art win me over in both camps.......
But, the Rodney Matthews arts - Time To Turn is clear vinyl. They replaced a Magic Mirrors with a track from. Colours. Order notwithstanding........ Planets was fine.
Covers always determined the 'trip' factor of an album. Or course, that goes back a bit, but it's undeniable, and it still brushes over to this day and age.............
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^ Typos suck............especially with a 'bung' eye infection, and whatever.....
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I don't care fot typos, it's the message that counts.

I grew up liking Eloy with the Winfried-covers. He also design Colours and Silent Cries, so it sorta fits the Eloy music.

Later on, I discovered the Matthews-covers, but I never actually owned any of these lp's.
I did own the Winfried-covers, so they kinda stuck with music. Especially when reading the backstory and the lyrics.

I never knew the screwed up the order and replaced songs. That's new news to me.
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Amazing band with 6 great albums in a row, from Dawn thru Time to Turn, with a few others outside that period that were great (Inside, Ocean 2).  Spacey and symphonic at once.  While they at turns sounded like Tull, Floyd, Alan Parsons, Yes, and BJH, they nonetheless had their own imprint on the style.  Artwork certainly helped fulfill the fantasy.

My personal favorites are Inside, Dawn, Colours, Planets, and Time to Turn.  Maybe 2 inferior tracks on the 4 albums.   While I enjoy Ocean and Silent Cries, Ocean is a bit too sprawling and Silent Cries a bit too Floydian
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Except Dawn and Performance, I own all their albums from 1973 to 1984
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It's also the musicians that count.
 
Eloy had the a few of the best drummers in prog: Jürgen Rosenthal, Fritz Randow and Jim McGilivray, whereas Jürgen was the most inventive one.

Also Klaus-Peter Matziol is one of the best bassist I have heard in prog. And he was almost on any Eloy album.

As for the keyboardist; Detlev Schmidtgen and Hannes Folberth are amongst the best keyboardist I know. Michael Gerlach is okay, but not as superb as Detlev and Hannes. They really brought that spacey sound to Eloy.

The early years featured organist Manfred Wieczorke, wich I have never seen in any other band. He was okay, really psychedelic, he fit the old sound very well, but I prefer Hannes or Detlev.
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Originally posted by Kingsnake Kingsnake wrote:

 The early years featured organist Manfred Wieczorke, wich I have never seen in any other band. He was okay, really psychedelic, he fit the old sound very well, but I prefer Hannes or Detlev.
 
Manfred joined "Jane" a well known progressive Hardrock band after he left Eloy.
 
He also had a band called Firehorse which made just one Album.
 
He also recorded a lot with Detlef Schmidtchen (also Eloy) and made some solo Albums.
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I actually know Jane very well. used to listen to them a lot, because they sound like Floating and Inside-era Eloy.
 
Didn't know they shared the same organist. Maybe that's why they have the same sound. Great, now I feel like listening to some Jane again.
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I thought Between Heaven and Hell was a great album by Jane
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Manfred is at least on the "Live at Home" album  and some Studio ones (1 or 2)
at that time. "Between Heaven and Hell" and "Age of Madness" I think.
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^ Correct on all counts, and my favourite Jane period, coz it's reminiscent of Eloy, a harder edged, bluesy Eloy.
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Somewhat overlooked from the Hannover Germany Rock scene is the Warlock project
by English man Jon Symon aka Rasputin (he lived in Hannover).
 
He made a Prog Rock album called "Warlock - Memories Of A White Magician" which featured
Matziol, Schmidtchen and McGilivray from Eloy.
 
There is also a live album of that record (with almost the same cover) that features him backed
by Jane musicians (the Lady Jane formation).
 
If you like early Eloy you might also like this Swiss band (Magic Spell)
 
Fritz Randow also played in Jane (at a later phase)
 
 
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I love most of Eloy's albums. The only ones I don't like much are Silent Cries and Planets. 

Floating and Inside are a couple of my all time favorite albums.
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Randow also played on an album by the band SAXON !!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kingsnake Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2016 at 01:41
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Randow also played on an album by the band SAXON !!
 
Yes I know.
Randow was really a heavy metal drummer. There were already traces of proto-metal drumming on Inside and Floating.
He played in more metalbands I believe.
And on Metromania het played some double kick bassdrums on Follow the Light.
Also on the Cronicles albums he plays more heavy than before.
 
I prefer the playful style of Jürgen Rosenthal though. And of course Bodo Schöpf.
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