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The Dark Elf 
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 Posted: January 08 2017 at 05:49 |
 Hercules wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hercules wrote:
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Trick of the Tail and Winds & Wuthering are better than any era Marillion, whether with fish, potatoes or broccoli. |
I would rate all 4 Fish albums, Brave, Marbles and Afraid of Sunlight well ahead of TOTT. I'd rate Seasons End as easily the best album either band did. |
Sorry, I guess my ears aren't attuned to the greatness you hear in vapid neo-prog. There really is nothing in the Marillion catalog to match Dance on a Volcano, Entangled, Squonk and Los Endos. They are superior compositions. |
And Hooks In You shows a side that Genesis never had - that they can rock like Bon Jovi (or actually rather better IMO). |
Yes, one of the things I always look for in music is something that rocks like Bon Jovi.  As I said, vapid, but thanks for making my point for me.
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lazland
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Posted: January 08 2017 at 06:43 |
Hercules wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Hercules wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Trick of the Tail and Winds & Wuthering are better than any era Marillion, whether with fish, potatoes or broccoli. |
I would rate all 4 Fish albums, Brave, Marbles and Afraid of Sunlight well ahead of TOTT. I'd rate Seasons End as easily the best album either band did. |
Sorry, I guess my ears aren't attuned to the greatness you hear in vapid neo-prog. There really is nothing in the Marillion catalog to match Dance on a Volcano, Entangled, Squonk and Los Endos. They are superior compositions. |
Easter?? The King of Sunset Town?? The Uninvited Guest?? Holloway Girl??? There's not a bad moment on the album. And Hogarth's lyrics are relevant and have meaning - climate change, the Troubles: not just some airy fairy nonsense.
The 4 tracks you quote fro, TOTP are indeed very good, but Robbery, Assault and Battery??? A Trick of the Tail?? Dreadful.
And Hooks In You shows a side that Genesis never had - that they can rock like Bon Jovi (or actually rather better IMO).
But if you dismiss all Neo-Prog as "vapid", that's your loss. IQ, Pendragon and Marillion have made some of the very best music I've heard in ANY genre. |
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 09 2017 at 09:51 |
Well...Trick and Wind and obviously superior. Duke is probably on par with the best of H-era marillion.
That said...the rest of late era genesis is trash so while Marillion certainly isn't consistently brilliant it's definitely better.
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Barbu
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Posted: January 10 2017 at 12:18 |
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Pastmaster
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Posted: January 10 2017 at 13:25 |
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I'd vote any Genesis over Marillion, and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like Genesis that much save for a few albums.
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Tillerman88
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Posted: January 10 2017 at 14:46 |
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I cringe whenever I see such sort of 'apples x oranges' comparisons, yeah Phil's undiisputed talent for pop music has no parallels amongst Prog musicians. I go with his music all the way through on here.
Edited by Tillerman88 - January 10 2017 at 14:53
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dr prog
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Posted: January 10 2017 at 14:49 |
Heard a bit of Marillion. Horrible 80s music
Trick, Pidgeons and Wind is the best Genesis era. Gabriel should have been replaced after Foxtrot.
Edited by dr prog - January 10 2017 at 14:51
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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geekfreak
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Posted: January 25 2017 at 12:08 |
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Cristi
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Posted: September 28 2017 at 03:09 |
geekfreak wrote:
Marillion Collins turned Genesis into a pop band |
all three of them turned Genesis into a pop band.
Marillion got my vote, too.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: September 28 2017 at 03:31 |
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I go for Genesis. The h era Marillion albums have their moments for sure (some of them quite big, might I say) but TOTT, WaW and ATTWT are what I prefer to listen to much more often.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 28 2017 at 03:40 |
It would've been more honest to propose a post-Hackett Genesis (starting with ATTWT)... or even a Post-70's Genesis (starting after Duke) to give any kind of Marillion a chance to win this bout
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miamiscot
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Posted: September 28 2017 at 09:00 |
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Another close one but Marillion never released anything as dreadful as We Can't Dance.
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Cristi
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Posted: September 28 2017 at 09:06 |
miamiscot wrote:
Another close one but Marillion never released anything as dreadful as We Can't Dance. |
Marillion has never released anything as dreadful as any post Duke Genesis.
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: September 29 2017 at 00:39 |
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As above. TOTT and WAW are masterpieces obviously superior to any Marillion, but anything after Duke is inferior to H - Marillion.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 29 2017 at 01:35 |
Cristi wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Another close one but Marillion never released anything as dreadful as We Can't Dance. |
Marillion has never released anything as dreadful as any post Duke Genesis. |
Neither did they release anything as good as Duke (or the other three previous albums, FTM) Only Script rivals with W&W (and betters ATTWT and Duke, but still lags far beyond and behind TotT)
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Cristi
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Posted: September 29 2017 at 04:57 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Cristi wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Another close one but Marillion never released anything as dreadful as We Can't Dance. |
Marillion has never released anything as dreadful as any post Duke Genesis. |
Neither did they release anything as good as Duke (or the other three previous albums, FTM) Only Script rivals with W&W (and betters ATTWT and Duke, but still lags far beyond and behind TotT) |
I'm honestly tempted to make some Genesis vs Marillion polls, but I predict Marillion would lose every time, simply because of the hatred people have for neo-prog (which Marillion is not anymore - LOL)
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: March 27 2018 at 02:02 |
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Collins-era Genesis for me. Marillion is excellent, though!
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
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Cristi
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Posted: March 27 2018 at 02:13 |
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btw, how is Collins era the same as later day Genesis the same thing. Collins era started 1976. When would "later day" start for Genesis? 80s? 90s? Their last album was in 1997.
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Mortte
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Posted: March 27 2018 at 02:33 |
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Genesis go over Marillion, whatever era there has been (except the last one without Collins).
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Cristi
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Posted: March 27 2018 at 02:38 |
^ right Marillion and neo genre are so cool to hate, Whodunnit would win polls against any Marillion songs.
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