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    Posted: January 09 2017 at 06:03
I know a lot of fans of both bands hate them.  I enjoy both quite a bit, though.

I can see if someone just doesn't like that style of music--EDM/techno/trance/etc., but it seems like a lot of fans have a problem with the albums from what's essentially a purist perspective--they don't like the idea of tampering with the original tunes, with experimenting and doing something different with them, etc.  That seems against the core spirit of progressive rock/progressive music in general to me, though.  Progressive music is anything but purist in spirit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 06:08
Here are links to check them out if you're not familiar with them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDfR_oQO41Q&list=PLkcAzV3bmOCokloIy2AvbqF1-bFGOkpkK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbISXDp_5i4&list=PL8OlPYxGbWgoAgbymvPcTTjXXOqxj5ZAG


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 06:57
I found the ELP Reworks pretty boring, it has about 1000 different versions of Fanfare.
Yes' remixes is fairly interesting but I don't play it all that often.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 07:11
I once had a copy of Houses Of The Holy (probably still have the files somewhere) where it sounded like Zeppelin meets Tangerine Dream. It was, is, odd. Plus a couple of trance mixes of Babe I'm Gonna leave You which just don't suit.

I know of Floyd trance mixes. Quite interesting ideas and probably born from The Orb days. Much better idea with progressive experimental music still having that value. That's my most positive iew.

Original artist consent notwithstanding the results could be interesting and a way of not just perpetuating old rock but revaluing it in a context relevant to a given moment. Playing one of the ELP ones now. Interesting but not sure I'd fork out for it.

I'd really rather it led to new music rather than sample and hold loops being added and leaving it at that. probably best off with some new prog rock really...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 07:27
How 'bout this?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 07:42
Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

Original artist consent notwithstanding . . .
I don't recall the story with the ELP Re-Works album, but with Yes' Remixes, Steve Howe's son is the one who did it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 08:29
Not into it at all.  I felt inoculated against the prog bug.  Or a threadbare tee-shirt machine washed for the umpteenth time.   Sort of thing that makes me not want to listen to music.

So few re-do's are worth it.   Maybe,  NIN's reworking Queen's "Get Down Make Love".    Or YES covering America.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 08:35
the remastered version of "Yessongs" is absolutely horrible. the album does not even sound live anymore


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 08:39
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

the remix of "Yessongs" is absolutely horrible. the album does not even sound live anymore

Why don't they leave perfection alone?   All in all it's just another mustache on a Mona Lisa.  Ouch


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 14:17
When the original records were released, the band were ok with it, meaning that's the way they intended/prefer it to sound like; that's my understanding of a band releasing a record they were satisfied with, and that's the reason why I don't care much about new "remixes", which most of the time don't make things better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2017 at 14:41
Just to make sure we don't get too off track, I wasn't referring to remixes (if that's indeed what they are) a la remasters of various albums.  I was referring to the Yes album entitled Remixes, released in 2003 on the Rhino label.

This is a link to an upload of the album in question on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbISXDp_5i4&list=PL8OlPYxGbWgoAgbymvPcTTjXXOqxj5ZAG


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2017 at 06:23
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

   

Or YES covering America.



So very, very true. LOVED this version. Blew the original away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2017 at 06:43
Originally posted by Mormegil Mormegil wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

   

Or YES covering America.



So very, very true. LOVED this version. Blew the original away.
 
The original is one of my favorite songs. Can't stand the Yes cover.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2017 at 09:02
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by Mormegil Mormegil wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

   

Or YES covering America.



So very, very true. LOVED this version. Blew the original away.
 
The original is one of my favorite songs. Can't stand the Yes cover.

We're talking about remixes, not cover versions here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2017 at 12:47
The Yes cover of America is one of my favorite Yes tunes, by the way.  I love the original, too, but the Yes version made it even that much better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2017 at 13:16
On a somewhat-related topic... 
I vaguely remember hearing the original 12" extended remix for the song "Go" from ASIA 
and not liking that one much either.    


Upon listening again now, I am still underwhelmed.   



Oddly enough, there is a brief tacked-on organ solo at 3:28 
that sounds like maybe it was lifted from "The Heat Goes On".  

(If it wasn't, then I wonder if Geoff Downes actually played this part) 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2017 at 16:46
ahahah..

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Anyway.. 1 star...

for eccentric Yes fans and those who are supremely open-minded. Those who are, might actually enjoy pulling this out occasionally. I do. Probably the most enjoyable 1 star album I'll ever review

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2017 at 01:24
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

the remix of "Yessongs" is absolutely horrible. the album does not even sound live anymore

Why don't they leave perfection alone?   All in all it's just another mustache on a Mona Lisa.  Ouch
 
Yessongs always sounded terrible to me especially when you put it up against ELP's Pictures At An Exhibition which was the standard bearer for pristine sounding live album of the time.
 
As far as the topic goes I've not heard any decent ELP remixes. Steven Wilson apparently got bored doing the ELP ones and it shows.
 
If we are talking repackaged and remastered releases then the deluxe editions of Pictures At An Exhibition and Welcome Back My Friends ... are really good imo.
As far as Yes remixes goes then Relayer is pretty decent. I would like a total remix of Going For The One to get away hopefully from that over trebley/low bass mix of the original.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2017 at 03:28
These 'remixes' seem to be a product of their time (the 90s) - I heard some Floyd ones around then and thought they were ghastly so I have steered clear of them.  I did buy 'You're Mixed' by Gong but again, I was unimpressed.

It seems they existed for the novelty value...

I echo the sentiment above about 'Pictures' - talk about a crackling, fizzing live album - in its original format!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2017 at 05:13
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

the remix of "Yessongs" is absolutely horrible. the album does not even sound live anymore

Why don't they leave perfection alone?   All in all it's just another mustache on a Mona Lisa.  Ouch
 
Yessongs always sounded terrible to me especially when you put it up against ELP's Pictures At An Exhibition which was the standard bearer for pristine sounding live album of the time.
 
As far as the topic goes I've not heard any decent ELP remixes. Steven Wilson apparently got bored doing the ELP ones and it shows.
 
If we are talking repackaged and remastered releases then the deluxe editions of Pictures At An Exhibition and Welcome Back My Friends ... are really good imo.
As far as Yes remixes goes then Relayer is pretty decent. I would like a total remix of Going For The One to get away hopefully from that over trebley/low bass mix of the original.
I think you may be confusing remixes and remasters Richard. The Steven Wilson editions of Relayer and Trilogy are remasters, not remixes.
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