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    Posted: January 25 2017 at 14:29
Originally posted by Watchmaker Watchmaker wrote:

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I'm giving "Wild Opera" by No-Man a try. It seems very interesting. I'll probably try "Together We're Stranger" sometime today as well.

I searched for the "Stone to Flesh" album, but am rather shocked that I can't find it anywhere for free. What site do you usually use for free music?



Thepirat....ummm...YouTube, yes...YouTube...
Joking aside, if you google something like "stone to flesh Jansen", the second result is the full album uploaded on YouTube (at least for me). You can also search Youtube directly. There, it is the first result.
Bandcamp is an amazing site for free music. Bands upload their own music there and let you listen to it for free or buy their products.
Spotify has also a good variety of well known artists, but I'm new to it so I don't know its limitations.
You can generally stream about 99% of music for free on the Internet, legally and safely. Google is your friend Wink

Well, I've tried out the album, and it's really good, though I don't know if I'll continue listening to it in the future. In general, I never got into a lot of Japan stuff, but respect them, especially because of the great collaborations I've heard between David Sylvian and Robert Fripp. After all, Japan is partly Sylvian's band, isn't it?

Please tell me if I'm talking rubbish. I know almost nothing about the band XD. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2017 at 14:04
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Porcupine Tree peaked around In Absentia/Deadwing for me. FOABP had some very good moments though. The Incident was a yawn fest..

Not heard enough of SW's solo efforts to really comment, but what I have heard sounds 'nice' but not particularly inspiring.

Did you try "Grace For Drowning?" It was by far his best album, and sounds an awful lot inspiring too me! Also, a quick song to try is "Drive Home." If you ever have the will to, you can tell me what you think of the sick guitar solo it features. :D
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2017 at 14:02
In general PT over Wilson .....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2017 at 13:28
Porcupine tree IS Steven Wilson. No reason to make a choice.
And my wife prefers Blackfield Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2017 at 09:27
In Absentia and Deadwing are very very good; I never understood how Blank Planet could end up as the highest rated PT album. I respect SW's solo work but he hasn't come up with anything as good as In Absentia and Deadwing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2017 at 06:13
Porcupine Tree peaked around In Absentia/Deadwing for me. FOABP had some very good moments though. The Incident was a yawn fest..

Not heard enough of SW's solo efforts to really comment, but what I have heard sounds 'nice' but not particularly inspiring.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2017 at 02:56
I am far more impressed with his post-production work than any writing/playing he has done. I have not heard everything of his, and scant any in the last 7-8 years.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2017 at 02:20
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I'm giving "Wild Opera" by No-Man a try. It seems very interesting. I'll probably try "Together We're Stranger" sometime today as well.

I searched for the "Stone to Flesh" album, but am rather shocked that I can't find it anywhere for free. What site do you usually use for free music?



Thepirat....ummm...YouTube, yes...YouTube...
Joking aside, if you google something like "stone to flesh Jansen", the second result is the full album uploaded on YouTube (at least for me). You can also search Youtube directly. There, it is the first result.
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Spotify has also a good variety of well known artists, but I'm new to it so I don't know its limitations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 20:42
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


Thumbs Up yeah.. I should have been a bit more careful jumping into your thread.  It is a running joke... one running for years.  Goes back to one of my finest moments on the forum when he actually did join the forum years ago and came around hunting for some hero worship and love

and he was getting it.. man how the jockies were flying around the forum..

well me and my AR thugs weren't haven't any of that .. so we crashed his thread.. and sort of ran him off. Never seen him back in fact. 


anyhow... I do like teasing some of the guys here for still enjoying his obviously lame and uninspired solo stuff. Especially putting them as best of year winners on this site over much more creative fresh, and simply better albums LOL

Could have been nice to have him (SW) as a natural long-term ally but thanks to big Mick and his pals (all dead or imprisoned now) what's left instead is only...lonely Micky.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 15:36
I've seen SW 2x.....GFD Tour and HCE Tour. Two very excellent shows, attention to detail is excellent...Especially sound wise, GFD and the quad sound was cool..


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 14:40
Originally posted by Watchmaker Watchmaker wrote:

Together We're Stranger, Schoolyard Ghosts and Returning Jesus are all great and pretty much equal to my ears. Flowermouth is a bit weaker. The rest I have not heard yet.
Now that we're at it, give the album "Stone to Flesh" a listen. It is a collaboration between Barbieri and Jansen (both members of the band Japan) and I find it to be excellent.

I'm giving "Wild Opera" by No-Man a try. It seems very interesting. I'll probably try "Together We're Stranger" sometime today as well.

I searched for the "Stone to Flesh" album, but am rather shocked that I can't find it anywhere for free. What site do you usually use for free music?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 12:58
I love Fear of a Blank Planet.
Nil Recurring is really good as well.

Also love  In Absentia and  Deadwing

I found  The Incident to be really boring

I like SWs solo work more than The Incident  but less than the classics mentioned above.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 09:11
Classic PT (Downstair to Lightbulb)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 07:27
SW is very hit or miss with me. I love the later heavier PT stuff. The earlier material is a little too spacey for me. I do like parts of The Incident. 

I tried listening to Hand Cannot Erase the other day and thought it was crap. I like a lot of The Raven That Refused to Sing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 07:02
I have seen Porcupine Tree 4 times since 2001 and I have missed them a few times. 
I don't think I ever missed a SW solo concert. For no rational reasons, I pay more attention to his solo work. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 05:29
Together We're Stranger, Schoolyard Ghosts and Returning Jesus are all great and pretty much equal to my ears. Flowermouth is a bit weaker. The rest I have not heard yet.
Now that we're at it, give the album "Stone to Flesh" a listen. It is a collaboration between Barbieri and Jansen (both members of the band Japan) and I find it to be excellent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 05:19
Originally posted by Watchmaker Watchmaker wrote:

I would agree that FoaBP is a tiny bit overrated mainly because of Anesthetize being the magnificent song it is. Most people seem to forget that they rate an album and the other songs have to be stellar too. I would give it an 8.5/10 and a straight 9/10, had they replaced Sentimental with Normal (from Nil Recurring). Also the "fanboy service after In Absentia" accusation is BS. If they had wanted that, they would have done it past The Incident. Also, albums Like Deadwing and FoaBP brought many new fans to the band. If I recall correctly, they wanted to blend jazz music into PTree and somebody (Richard Barbieri is the obvious culprit) didn't want that, which led to the end of the band. That doesn't sound like fan service to me, especially if you do it after your most commercially successful album (The Incident). I guess the recipe just stopped working and they called it a day.
Now as far as his solo work is concerned, there was a poll not long ago about PT and SW albums. I stand by my original opinion, that PT have the edge just because of the amount of work they have released. I believe, though, that the next SW album could be the one that will change my preference.
No-man is an excellent project for what it is (soft, relaxing, electronic, pop, ambient music). The song Things I Want to Tell You from Together We' re Stranger is one of my favourite songs of all time. Especially the ending. It doesn't always work when it comes to No-man, but, when it does, you get things like this.
I really want to fully get into his other projects as well. It's just that there is so much free music out there that you have to set some of it aside.

Steven Wilson has always been a hard-worker, and is the best prog artist of the new generation. The "fanboy service after In Absentia" is silly, but something definitely changed after "Fear of a Blank Planet." "Anesthetize" and "Oceam's Razor" were just so pointless.

I created this poll totally unprepared XD.
I haven't tried No-Man in detail. Only as background music :(. Any specific albums you can recommend me?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 05:13
Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

I first heard the third album a long time ago and thought it was some guy and his mates wanting to be Pink Floyd. The awhile later I heard something else and ended up collecting shed loads of bootlegs, lie, studio outtakes, soundboards, footage. Lock stock the lot. There were some great ones and good laughs as well. A great way to get into a band. Playing to six people in clubs with great sound.

One thing unreleased (and likely to remain that way) is the number that was performed for the Blank Plant tour but unreleased as SW's death growl (!) was probably not going to get the respect such a gimmick demands. Not with his voice anyway.

So I got the studio albums, expanded and finally got a hold of Lightbulb Sun which had been out of print for ages. I recall seeing stacks of those in Tower Records as well...

I tried some of the non P Tree stuff such as IEM, Blackfield and later solo albums and found I was definitely a P Tree fan but not necessarily an SW fan. Ok, so some music did not float my boat. What a shock. I liked Grace for Drowning (the only SW solo I do like) and wished that had been the last P Tree album rather than the to me, flat uneventful (non) Incident. Someone's mind was on other things, not P Tree.

He may have been the writer in P Tree - and a fine one indeed - but it was the rest of the band contributing arrangements that made their music not just palatable but exceptional. And that to me was a big difference to P Tree at their best and SW with band.

This comment is so great. :) 

Starting to understand how much people like one more than the other. Interesting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2017 at 03:08
I would agree that FoaBP is a tiny bit overrated mainly because of Anesthetize being the magnificent song it is. Most people seem to forget that they rate an album and the other songs have to be stellar too. I would give it an 8.5/10 and a straight 9/10, had they replaced Sentimental with Normal (from Nil Recurring). Also the "fanboy service after In Absentia" accusation is BS. If they had wanted that, they would have done it past The Incident. Also, albums Like Deadwing and FoaBP brought many new fans to the band. If I recall correctly, they wanted to blend jazz music into PTree and somebody (Richard Barbieri is the obvious culprit) didn't want that, which led to the end of the band. That doesn't sound like fan service to me, especially if you do it after your most commercially successful album (The Incident). I guess the recipe just stopped working and they called it a day.
Now as far as his solo work is concerned, there was a poll not long ago about PT and SW albums. I stand by my original opinion, that PT have the edge just because of the amount of work they have released. I believe, though, that the next SW album could be the one that will change my preference.
No-man is an excellent project for what it is (soft, relaxing, electronic, pop, ambient music). The song Things I Want to Tell You from Together We' re Stranger is one of my favourite songs of all time. Especially the ending. It doesn't always work when it comes to No-man, but, when it does, you get things like this.
I really want to fully get into his other projects as well. It's just that there is so much free music out there that you have to set some of it aside.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2017 at 22:50
I first heard the third album a long time ago and thought it was some guy and his mates wanting to be Pink Floyd. The awhile later I heard something else and ended up collecting shed loads of bootlegs, lie, studio outtakes, soundboards, footage. Lock stock the lot. There were some great ones and good laughs as well. A great way to get into a band. Playing to six people in clubs with great sound.

One thing unreleased (and likely to remain that way) is the number that was performed for the Blank Plant tour but unreleased as SW's death growl (!) was probably not going to get the respect such a gimmick demands. Not with his voice anyway.

So I got the studio albums, expanded and finally got a hold of Lightbulb Sun which had been out of print for ages. I recall seeing stacks of those in Tower Records as well...

I tried some of the non P Tree stuff such as IEM, Blackfield and later solo albums and found I was definitely a P Tree fan but not necessarily an SW fan. Ok, so some music did not float my boat. What a shock. I liked Grace for Drowning (the only SW solo I do like) and wished that had been the last P Tree album rather than the to me, flat uneventful (non) Incident. Someone's mind was on other things, not P Tree.

He may have been the writer in P Tree - and a fine one indeed - but it was the rest of the band contributing arrangements that made their music not just palatable but exceptional. And that to me was a big difference to P Tree at their best and SW with band.
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