Genesis or Pink Floyd album?

Dellinger wrote: Yeah, well, it would be naive to believe it was a major factor, but it might have given some encouragement, like a cheerleader on sports. However, in the same page there was even something about the president of Germany giving some recognition to Bowie last year when he passed away.

Background information for this is that many Germans, particularly politicians, aren't overly happy to acknowledge that Gorbachev and even some SED leaders at the time did more to make it happen than the "ordinary" people in the street  let alone people from the West.
The case is good enough to be considered and discussed so thanks for bringing it up, I wouldn't reject some effect altogether, although ultimately I remain unconvinced.
The given quote is not by the German president by the way, rather by someone working for the Foreign Office (officially twittering for the FO), I'd guess a rock or at least Bowie fan.

Dellinger wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Heroes%22_(David_Bowie_song)

Here's a quote from the Vox page that the Wikipedia page cites for evidencing their positive statement about the role of Bowie's performance:

Yet this version of history may be more appealing than it is true. The Berlin Wall was chiefly brought down by historical forces that flowed in from the east, not from the west. It was Gorbachev's reforms of the Soviet system, the decisions of a few Soviet-bloc states to edge away from Moscow's control, disarray among the East German leadership, and the actions of East Germans on the ground that ultimately shaped history. Bowie's performance, like Reagan's speech a year later, did not determine Berlin's fate.

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/11/10749546/david-bowie-berlin-wall-heroes

Admittedly it says some more positive things, too. Certainly Bowie did the right thing at the right time there, but anyway, rock fans are for obvious reasons prone to overstating the influence of their heroes and treasures... (I'm not aware that any such claim was made in a similarly qualified manner about Roger's Wall.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Heroes%22_(David_Bowie_song)

lazland wrote: The Wall album did not, though, inspire the Germans to tear down said wall. That is a silly fallacy. That there is a connection between both walls is not in doubt in my opinion.

Well, the idea for "The Wall' came from ten years of touring, rock shows, I think, particularly the last few years in '75 and in '77 we were playing to very large audiences, some of whom were our old audience who'd come to see us play, but most of whom were only there for the beer, in big stadiums, and, er, consequently it became rather an alienating experience doing the shows. I became very conscious of a wall between us and our audience and so this record started out as being an expression of those feelings.

http://www.rogerwaters.org/79wallint.html

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 15 2017 at 17:40

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: mlkpad14 wrote: I've stated openly that I was not around during that time. And, for the last time, I'll tell you that I'm just going off of WHAT I HEARD from many who WERE AROUND during that time. Yeah man, you said it, but there are books about the issue. It's better to read it here than to suffer a harsh response by a jerk if you say this in real life. I assure you, there's absolutely no relation between Pink Floyd The Wall and the Berlin Wall.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: mlkpad14 wrote: I've stated openly that I was not around during that time. And, for the last time, I'll tell you that I'm just going off of WHAT I HEARD from many who WERE AROUND during that time. yeah man, you said it, but there are books about the issue. It's better to read it here than to suffer a harsh response by a jerk if you say this in real life. I asure you, there's absolutely no relation between Pink Floyd The Wall and the Berlin Wall.

Roger Waters, did, though, make a relationship between the two by staging a concert in Berlin of The Wall, featuring s host of guest artists not long after the coming down of said wall.

The Wall was not merely an album about his mother, father, divorce, paranoia, breakdown of relationships, and ego, although it was all of those things, but also about the impact of said issues on Pink, and it's relationship to real life walls being built between people and cultures. In that regard, the Berlin Wall was very much in his thoughts when he wrote the album.

It is absolutely no accident whatsoever that Pink built a wall around his alter ego, and said alter ego was a fascist dictator. Again, the correlation between this and the real wall was absolutely no accident whatsoever. Of course, Waters regularly utilised real life politics and political situations in his lyrics and musical theatre.

Young Mlkpad14 has a point here, and his point should not be dismissed so lightly.

EDIT. The Wall album did not, though, inspire the Germans to tear down said wall. That is a silly fallacy. That there is a connection between both walls is not in doubt in my opinion.

Edited by lazland - February 15 2017 at 12:34

mlkpad14 wrote: I've stated openly that I was not around during that time. And, for the last time, I'll tell you that I'm just going off of WHAT I HEARD from many who WERE AROUND during that time.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 15 2017 at 12:28

It's pretty much a draw for me, both I like overall, both are not my favourites of those bands, both have their highs and lows, some songs I always love to get back to and some that are rather forgettable. I don't have much of an issue with either concept or lyrics; actually I get more out of them both than out of many concept albums, but then I'm not that much into lyrics generally. I can appreciate concept albums and accept a few fillers (music-wise) if they're properly embedded in the whole thing. So both good but you won't find them on my top 100 albums list.

And just adding another German voice, no connection at all between Roger's wall and the German one.

I don't like either album but I'll go with Genesis 

TexasKing wrote: I think The Lamb is a better album, so that's my pick. What you say?

SO much better - no contest, IMO...