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progaardvark
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Posted: September 27 2017 at 06:08 | |
Trump's response to Puerto Rico has been shameful.
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SteveG
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Posted: September 27 2017 at 06:09 | |
He's responded? I must have missed it! ;)
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mathman0806
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Posted: September 27 2017 at 06:45 | |
He called the people of Puerto Rico out for kneeling during ... oh wait, nevermind. |
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 64351 |
Posted: September 28 2017 at 03:07 | |
I doubt Trump even knew it was a US territory, or that he feels a need to do anything at all
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SteveG
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Posted: September 28 2017 at 04:02 | |
Now that Trump is aware of Puerto Rico, he says he intends to build another wall to keep the Puerto Ricans out of the US.
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The T
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Posted: September 28 2017 at 07:55 | |
Puerto Ricans are brown. They don't matter to Trump. Unless they could be use to rally and energize his all-white base. Then they would matter.
And the funny thing is that Trump doesn't really give a damn about his whites either. But they are very useful.
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: September 30 2017 at 07:31 | |
A twitter war with the mayor of San Juan now? Seriously? What a turd!
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20497 |
Posted: October 02 2017 at 04:34 | |
Yes, but Trump's fan base eats this sh*t up. Sad.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 02 2017 at 12:59 | |
Yes indeed, one of the more (and that's impressive given his resume) shameful things he has said.
Wouldn't even surprise me. Hell, ya heard 46% of Americans don't know Puerto Ricans are American citizens? Hmmmmmmm didn't Trump win with around 46% of the vote? That's interesting!!! Oh yes, Trump has indeed responded SteveG. In true fashion, after being called out for more or less blaming the country for their suffering, he did the only thing he knows how to do: double down and run full speed ahead, saying the residents of PR aren't doing enough to help themselves! They want everything done for them! Oh and the Democrats told the Mayor of San Juan, who was so nice a few days ago, to get nasty with Trump. Of course!
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 03 2017 at 15:20 | |
Trump continues on...handing out lights and stuff to people in PR while on twitter he continues to blame them for their debt problem. (Funny from the guy who's lived off bankruptcy and wants to pass a $2.4 trillion deficit creating tax plan)
Oh hey that reminds me! The GOP is indeed presenting their tax plan. They have gone to such lengths to assure us it will be pro middle class, will not benefit the wealthy. I gotta run so will post the article later, but all the analysis I've seen shows the largest share of tax cuts go, by far, to the wealthiest 1% Also, by 2027 the tax cuts will have shrunk for every group except the 1% and 30% of people earning 50-150K would be paying MORE That's right, it not just benefits the wealthy, but in the end the middle class would see no change and many would be paying more! Eliminates the estate tax, and yes is projected to cost us $2.4 trillion. They are going for it. Wow what about the 8 years of yelling about fiscal responsibility and fighting over every penny? Funny how they seem to forget about all that when a Republican is in the WH. It's like they dont actually care about deficits at all and just use it as a weapon oh wait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 03 2017 at 18:51 | |
^^^ This is pretty much what the BJP is doing now, appropriating every Cong policy that they used to berate when in the opposition. And it's part of why I have come to dislike all Tory parties in general now. They are deceitful cowards bereft of imagination as well as the humility to accept where they have gone wrong. When the Minister of Railways blames legacy issues for not building a small pedestrian bridge at a railway station in 3 1/2 years, it just takes the cake.
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HackettFan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2012 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 7946 |
Posted: October 03 2017 at 21:45 | |
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 06 2017 at 13:16 | |
The link I posted says it all: Starve the Beast. It's a purposeful policy, it's not even laziness or dishonesty (though it is both those) and it's not just different camps surfacing at different times, it's a strategy. It's been their strategy since Reagan when they realized people want tax cuts and dont really seem to care about deficits. Oh its extremely annoying, and I hate it, but its actually a brilliant strategy: be the champion of tax cuts AND fiscal restraint, but have an easy time governing while making it harder of Democrats who get saddled with the pain/backlash of tax hikes and restraint. This all happened when supply side was becoming a thing so they even had a justification "They will pay for themselves!" So the drift is actually a perfectly controlled one. How the Dems have let this happen for decades is beyond me. If some college kid with wikipedia realized it, surely they must know. No idea why they dont challenge it. If I was a Democratic consultant I would tell them to make this a platform point. Every time a Republican talks about deficit, our "this is unaffordable", debt is out of control blah blah counter with this. Make it known and fight it. But yeah the Democratic Party is impotent beyond words. Even now, they may talk about deficits and etc but why wont they say "No, you cant do this again, everyone this is what their plan is" Or as you put it, that is the Republican Party we're battling. And Americans let it happen by letting it go. They could easily realize these abrupt flip flops, that tax cuts have never paid for themselves, but we dont. People dont see it, dont look into it, it's infuriating. That's why I appreciated Sanders' calling for big spending and only half assedly coming up with some story about how it'll be paid for. He's the first to fight fire with fire. Don't get me wrong, I think gov spending on jobs, education, infrastructure and etc will boost the economy and actually pay themselves off to some degree (unlike tax cuts) but it was great to see someone not being caught in the GOP trap.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 06 2017 at 13:46 | |
Oh wow, harsh! Sadly I have no idea, so will have to defer to you on the matter. In my rambling above, I believe the Republican Party on this issue is behaving in line with a strategy and not just intellectual bankruptcy and lack of conviction (though hey I think they have those too). I mean I do agree, for example while I'm glad a few GOP Senators have bucked their party to stop Obamacare repeal...they all voted against it back in 2010. Glad they have upkept it but it does feel a bit empty, if you dont want it gone now, then why vote against it at first? If they sincerely were against it but not now then as you say they should admit to a mistake, but McCain just kept talking about how bad the process was, or "gotta do whats right", some may have concerns about health cuts but again, why didnt you support it then? Or Betsy DeVos, two GOP senators were praised for voting against her, but they voted to let her have a senate vote....if you're reeeeeeeeeeeaaalllly that opposed, that brave, you'd have said no then and kill her chances at the start. Funny how only two broke, so the VP could break the tie. Surely that all wasn't planned at all.... All this big government wasteful spending, but they pay lip service to how they're totally gunna build a 2000 thousand mile wall...no more gov spending! but then approves increased military spending (twice now I think). As you say deceitful cowardice. |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 06 2017 at 14:10 | |
So this is an interesting article. Data from a survey found that gun ownership is perhaps the most partisan factor in the US. We'd expect gun owners to lean Republican and non owners to be Dems but I never expected THIS level of divide.
The article shows that gun ownership cuts across education and even race (Trump won gun owning degree holders, and lost gun owning black voters less than non gun owning) and gun ownership was more indicative of voting for Trump or Clinton over race (barely), religion, union membership, being married, even the urban/rural divide. Only stronger factor may be being an atheist.
Anyway, this shows the deep differences in general outlook between gun owners and not, and also why the issue is SO passionate and intense. Edited by JJLehto - October 06 2017 at 14:11 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: October 07 2017 at 08:35 | |
The map is striking, however I would be surprised if you couldn't recreate the same results with a slew of issues that correlate with either party.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 08 2017 at 01:00 | |
The article does that, they look at various other things (being in a union, race, religion, urban/rural among others) and nothing else creates that intense a divide. Well except being an atheist. Unless you mean issues they did not cover, I am sure it is possible, though off the top of my head abortion, while divisive, isn't that stark even. Perhaps belief in man made climate change. Now I will be fair, I am not sure it's THAT divisive, it was based off a survey...I am sure in some states there are more non gun owning Repubs or gun owning Dems then was seen in that map, but I believe the overall picture is pretty accurate.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: October 08 2017 at 20:32 | |
I mean that's not exactly the set of attributes I was suggesting, but it's close enough for me to take the loss on my prediction.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: October 09 2017 at 00:01 | |
Eh I think it's a good overall picture, and no doubt other factors/issues would likely be as divisive, mostly I was shocked at how vast it really is, I really would expect some more non gun owning Reps but especially gun owning Dems. Anyway, seems this shooting is the one bad enough to actually possibly prompt some change, the GOP and NRA are supposedly on board with limiting (not sure if banning) these bump stocks.
Getting off the Trump train for once and all that jazz, an interesting law passed in California that I think I'd need some major thinking about, and input from a few parties, if I was governor http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-gov-brown-downgrades-from-felony-to-1507331544-htmlstory.html They have decreased the penalty for knowingly exposing someone to HIV/AIDS from a felony to misdemeanor.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 09 2017 at 07:07 | |
Back to our gun post, be it good or bad, guns have always transcend party lines.
Edited by SteveG - October 09 2017 at 07:08 |
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